Welcome to the New Reich (Spellcheck courtesy of PSU)

[TenTallBen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to go through the federal government to get a pilot's license.

I'm not talking about going to the library, I'm talking going to flying school. Oh and you only need pilots license to LEGALLY fly a plane. I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers weren't worried about breaking the law. They had all those virgins waiting for them...

[Terry in Crapchester]

George Bush hurt Terry's feelings...?

What a cunt.


I mean Terry.
Terry, he's the cunt.

He doesn't hurt my feelings. He's not intelligent enough to pull that off.

What he does do is scare me.

[poptart]

Do you deny that if this administration knew that someone had checked out a book critical of the administration, it wouldn't raise a red flag with them?

You're on crack, right...?

[Terry in Crapchester]

I'm not talking about going to the library, I'm talking going to flying school.

Then you changed the subject, since going to the library is what I was talking about.

Oh and you only need pilots license to LEGALLY fly a plane. I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers weren't worried about breaking the law. They had all those virgins waiting for them...

They were going to pilot schools before the 9/11 hijackings, however. Isn't there some federal oversight over them?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Do you deny that if this administration knew that someone had checked out a book critical of the administration, it wouldn't raise a red flag with them?

You're on crack, right...?

No, I just have a lot less confidence in, or a lot more concern over, the Bush Administration's willingness to protect the civil liberties of its citizens than you apparently do.

[TenTallBen]

They were going to pilot schools before the 9/11 hijackings, however. Isn't there some federal oversight over them?

I would imagine so but that would be too little too late. Hijackings are passe in the extremist world. You can't top 9/11 so why bother? They have most likely moved on to something bigger and badder.

[BSmack]

Lots of livestock selections on your monthly check-out list won't raise any red flags, Terry.

Rest easy, big fella.

Not where Terry lives that's for damn sure. ;)

Hey, don't you live in East Bloomfield? If so, you're as far into the sticks as I am. :wink:

Nah, I used to live in Victor. Never made it down to Bloomfield save for some parties. I've got plenty of family in Livonia. They watch the RFD channel if that tells you anything.

[Terry in Crapchester]

They couldn't care less about pipsqueaks like you.

Somebody cared enough about me to steal three Kerry lawn signs out of my yard. I'm not saying it got to the highest level, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was somebody working for Bush's campaign. It certainly wasn't a Kerry supporter.

[Van]

Terry, forget checking out books that are critical of the government. That could easily be defended as checking out something in terms of learning both sides of an issue.

Far fetched, sure, but Pete Townshend's defense was that he was just checking out internet kiddie porn in order to know what's out there.

Forget all that. Forget books. We have people right here on this board who regularly post with no fear of reprisal scathing attacks of this government.

Not a lot of repression going on, not when you can google up or even post kiddie scat and Bush As A Homicidal Retard critiques with merely a few keystrokes...

Our civil liberties are still quite incredible and they're not going anywhere. These silly little examples people like Bsmack give of the impending fall of western civilization?

Tinfoil hat alarmest nonsense.

Just look around you. Despite all your fears of the intrusive power of our government you're free, utterly free, to be any level of anything you want to be. Almost nothing is off limits in terms of personal expression, other than maybe on network tv.

Does the government have the ability to look into our personal lives and so on?

Yep, they do. Does it infringe on our law abiding ability to do practically anything? Are there any real across the board societal penalties being paid or reprisals being meted out because of their access to us?

Of course not. We as Americans just keep going on with our unique in all of history business, all the while whinging on the internet about all sorts of tinfoil hat threats to our precious civil liberties...

[Van]

These silly little examples people like Bsmack give of the impending fall of western civilization is just tinfoil hat alarmest nonsense.

The fact that they even have the nads to make this comparison in a public forum nullifies their entire premise.

If Bush truly was "similar to Hitler" they wouldn't fucking dare say it in anything above a whisper and even then only after looking over their shoulder.

I edited my post to correct an error in grammar but yep, that's been my point all along: This very discussion, taking place in public like this, it's all the proof anyone should need to nullify any such stupid comparisons.

The fact that the teacher felt no fear in making that statement in a public school classroom should've tipped him off right then and there that what he was about to spew was utter bullshit...

Geography?? Bush/Hitler?

Fuck me. If Bush were anything like Hitler the world's former national borders would be unrecognizable today.

[BSmack]

These silly little examples people like Bsmack give of the impending fall of western civilization is just tinfoil hat alarmest nonsense.

The fact that they even have the nads to make this comparison in a public forum nullifies their entire premise.

If Bush truly was "similar to Hitler" they wouldn't fucking dare say it in anything above a whisper and even then only after looking over their shoulder.

Typical of the neocons to be taking "similar tones" and extrapolating "similar to Hitler". I thought we disabused you tards of this notion on page 7.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Forget all that. Forget books. We have people right here on this board who regularly post with no fear of reprisal scathing attacks of this government.

One big difference between this and that. Here we are anonymous, or at least semi-anonymous (as long as RtS doesn't have it in for you, that is :wink: ). If public libraries are turning over borrowing records to the federal government under subpoena . . . well, that's something else entirely.

Will there be any adverse consequences to those who borrow material critical of the federal government, or the current Administration? Perhaps not. But we're getting far closer to violating the spirit, if not the letter, of the First Amendment than I ever care to come in the first place if we allow even that to happen.

That's all I'm saying.

[Terry in Crapchester]

In fact, you will probably be disappeared before you make it home tonight.

Given the length of my commute, they have plenty of opportunity to do it, if they really want to.

And I'll even make it a little easier: since today was payday, I have to stop at the bank before I go home.

[Cuda]

These silly little examples people like Bsmack give of the impending fall of western civilization is just tinfoil hat alarmest nonsense.

The fact that they even have the nads to make this comparison in a public forum nullifies their entire premise.

If Bush truly was "similar to Hitler" they wouldn't fucking dare say it in anything above a whisper and even then only after looking over their shoulder.

Typical of the neocons to be taking "similar tones" and extrapolating "similar to Hitler". I thought we disabused you tards of this notion on page 7.

Comparing Bush to Hitler is extreme, you dumb fuckball. Pointing out what it would require for Bush to be similar to Hitler is not comparing their similarities.

[Cuda]

"Cuda Familiarizes Himself with the McCarthy Legacy Hour" is at an end for today. Thanks as always to the participants, we'll see you next week, same time, same channel.

Not by a damn sight. mvscal & can hijack this motherfucker again and take it back to the realm of being readable and educational ANYTIME WE WANT.

[Moving Sale]

George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator."
December 18, 2000

[Van]

There he is!!

:-)

[The Seer]

There he is!!

:-)

[smackaholic]

George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator."
December 18, 2000

do ya 'spose that just maybe the shrub was making a funay?

[BSmack]

George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator."
December 18, 2000

do ya 'spose that just maybe the shrub was making a funay?

The same guy who said "There should be limits to freedom"?

Shall we go on?

[smackaholic]

I'm not in anyway implying that you should agree with me, I don't even know if I'm necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think about these issues more in depth and not to just take thinks from the surface.

If that's a reportable offense, then education is dead. I feel badly for my children, and for their children to come.

what if this idiot teacher went on a rant about MLK being a womanizing commie sympathizer? Would it be OK to shit can him?

Have you heard any of the recording of this tool?

[Van]

Bsmack, of course there should be limits to freedom, otherwise you'd have outright anarchy.

[Cuda]

what if this idiot teacher went on a rant about MLK being a womanizing commie sympathizer? Would it be OK to shit can him?

Great point.

Such a comment got shitcanned in this thread, while the teacher's silly, hysterical rants didn't. So apparently the PUSFANS don't see free speech the same way in similar circumstances.

Have you heard any of the recording of this tool?

Far too many times, btw

[Turdmaker]

Can any of you any silly faggots even define facism (prior to googling it) or Nazism? Seriously, Bush may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but to compare him to Hitler is ludicrous to the degree that it deadens any credibilty to any retard that makes the comment.

What a bunch of shitstains the so-called liberals are. I think of myself as a liberal thinker but what passes for liberalism anymore is a goddamn embarrassment.

[BSmack]

They couldn't care less about pipsqueaks like you.

Somebody cared enough about me to steal three Kerry lawn signs out of my yard. I'm not saying it got to the highest level, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was somebody working for Bush's campaign. It certainly wasn't a Kerry supporter.

I'm sure you're right, Terry. They were ought slashing tires and/or engaging in other mischief.

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/dem ... dents.html

Got that strawman up mighty quick.

[Dinsdale]

This thread is kind of a microcosm of our country.

Some people are really stupid, and probably shouldn't be allowed to open their cock warmers.

There's a point where people have exhibited so much stupidity, it's not even worth bothering with.

The quote from the Downing Street Memo, which you butchered, is as follows:

It's called "paraphrasing."

Small wonder it was lost on you. I am familiar with the Downing Street Memos.

Then why select Hitler to make the comparison? You could have selected any number of political leaders throughout history

Props on winning the "Dumbass Of The Day" award, 88. You have truly raised the bar on being a dumbfuck.

And since you're a dumbfuck, and I'm involved in a never-ending battle with dumbfucks, maybe explaining why you're such a dumbfuck might prevent future episodes of dumbfuckedness on your part --

Wanna post that link to where I selected Hitler?

Yes, I Could have selected all kinds of leaders...except...are you sitting down...I DIDN'T POST THE TOPIC.

Is that sinking in?

I merely commented on the subject that was currently being discussed. I "responded," if you will.

So, as far as you asking why I made those selections for that cpmparison -- uhm, you might wanna go back and try reading the first post in the thread, often knowns as the "OP" in messageboard circles.

OK, NOW is the light coming on why "I" "selected" those names?

Holy fucking dumbfucks, Batman.

[BSmack]

Sorry, BSmack. I'll be quiet about the Democratic party's efforts to rig elections from now on.

That's cool. We all know that both parties engage in dirty tricks. You pointing that out any further will only earn you the undying respect of Larry and Marcus.

Now how about adding something to Terry's comment that his local GOP honks care enough about his activities to rip down his Kerry signs? Or do you prefer not to tax your brain thinking about the implications of personal information in the hands of politicans?

[Dinsdale]

And excuse my assumption that if you defended the teacher's Hitler-Bush comparison on grounds that it was accurate, you agreed with the comparison and thought it was appropriate.

OK. I'll even excuse that absolutely pathetic example of a duck-and-cover, as well.

When your idiocy is pointed out, it's always best to change the subject.

Heck, if you keep at it, you might even convince me that I was actually the one who brought up the Bush/Hitler comparison. Heck, by the time you're done, I might even be the teacher in the article.

My thoughts on the appropriateness or whether I agree with the comparisons or not weren't really the point, were they? Have you been taking lessons from Van? I didn't say what you wanted me to, those things that would make it easy for you to take a poke at me, and make you appear clever(in your world, anyway), so you just go ahead and decide that you'll give a rebuttle to the statement you wish I made?

WTF?

Here, I'll try and give you a rundown --

-The topic of the thread was a teacher who revisited the Bush/Hitler comparison.

-The Apologists completely dismissed the comparison.

- I pointed out some similarities, mainly as food for thought that the comparisons aren't completely unreasonable.

- When I defended my stance to the reactionaries, you asked why I even made the Bush/Hitler comparison in the first place.

- I pointed out that I didn't make the original comparison, I merely commented on it, since it was essentially the subject of the thread at that point.

- You then defended yourself against me when I pointed out your historical inaccuracies, by using some nonsequiturs, in an apparent attempt to sound intelligent, or something.

So, I'll try this one more time --

88...I didn't "select" the names in the comparison. I merely commented on the comparison that was already made.

Does that clear things up in your dysfunctional brain?

I see you working...I get under your skin, and you were pretty desperate to turn this into a pile-on Dinsdale thread. Think about that...much, MUCH better men than you have tried this, and failed miserably. You need a serious ego re-evaluation if you thought today was your day. You saw your chance, and you did your best to take it...it didn't work. Glass wishes it was as transparent as you are.

If you're going to step to the Man, you're going to have to do considerably better than that. You might try growing or borrowing a sense of humor, for staters, Uptighty.

Your day might come (not fucking likely), but really -- if that's your mission, you're really, really going to have to do better than "but what you meant to say was..."...really. I don't care how much thought you put into it, a FTFY post is still just a FTFY post.

[Van]

Dins, your Bush/Hitler comparisons were downright stupid, and you've yet to come back...

Stupid. Disingenuously stupid, I'm hoping...

Bottom line.

[PSUFAN]

Here's the thing about comparisons. They're like threads on a message board - the author is the one that sallies forth with them. Everone else afterward may chime in with their thoughts on how effective the comparison/thread was, but they don't get to change the terms of the thing itself.

I may compare an apple to an orange. I find them to be similar because they are both fruits.

Van is going to come around and say that they're dissimilar because they are colored differently. His thoughts are valid, but only according to his comparison's parameters. He's free to set them where he wants, as was I.

Van doesn't get to change the parameters that I've set for my comparison, despite the monolithic effort he's undertaken in this thread to prove otherwise.

Good times.

[Dinsdale]

No, what's stupid is your reactionary dismissal of the comparisons.

"There should be limits to freedom."

What part of that are you having trouble with?

What part of ultra-liberal foreign relations are you having trouble understanding?


Hitler convinced people with less-than-honorable "intelligence" that a group of people were a threat to the general populace of that country, and advocated a pre-emptive strike in the name of "your safety."

So at this point, you must ask yourself if either A) you see this similarity, or B) you're retarded.

We'll assume you answered "A" and continue.

OK, now when Hitler needed to cement his power, he completely ignored any rights that the German people may or may not have had to be secure in their person, houses, paers, and effects. They were also subject to unreasonable searches and seizures, warrants were isssued without probable cause, unsupported by oathg or affirmation. And today, the Patriot Act, supported strongly by Bush and Co., amongst many other "laws," also breech these rights. On a daily basis. And Bush defends the practice, even though it is in stark contrast to what is GUARANTEED (you know what that word means, right?) in the BOR.

In the name of "your safety," of course.

So, how are these comparisons not valid, exactly?

I haven't commented on any other similarities. I haven't extrapolated any direction the indescetions that Bush has committed might lead. I just pointed out these two similarities. That's all.

And if you deny these similarities (I'd have a hard time believing that people are struggling with that word, but it's apparently the case, or they're so deep in sheepledom that they see the comparisons as some sort of personal affront, to which I would have to say "get a life, loser")...if you deny these similarities, you're either an idiot, or need to cr5ack a history book.

Hitler advocated scaling back civil rights in the name of "safety." Bush advocates rolling back civil rights in the name of "safety."

Hitler launched a pre-emptive military strike against a country that he and his staff grossly misrepresented in terms of the level of their threat. Bush launcvhed a pre-emptive strike against a country after he and his staff grossly misrepresented their level of threat.

These were the comparisons I made. Regardless what other words you're trying to attribute to me, that was it. And not only do I stand by those statements, I will go so far as to say that if you deny these SIMILARITIES(and again, I'm starting to seriously wonder if some of you even know what that word means), then you're a fucking idiot, and you need to toddowen yourself from the gene pool, in the interest of the rest of our "safety."

Those are textbook definitions of "similarities." I made no comment on whether either's actions had positive or negative connotations, nor did I express any viewpoint either way...I merely stated FACT...in the form of "similarities."

The very idea that some of you are soooooo eager to put additional words in my mouth is quite telling, though.

Sorry if the leader of your country is trying to parallel a course that was followed by the one of the most evil humans in history, but don't shoot the messenger, bud. If you don't like it, it's much better to not sit in denial, and speak against the wrongdoing, even it if isn't the popular thing to do. All it takes for evil to take hold is for a few good people to look the other way.


Better to live a day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb. Don't be afraid to point out the obvious, just because it's against the grain of popular opinion.

[Dinsdale]

Van doesn't get to change the parameters that I've set for my comparison, despite the monolithic effort he's undertaken in this thread to prove otherwise.

Van's stuck in the "big words make me right" phase...cut him some slack.

Not only is he trying to shoot the messenger, he's resorted to lies to do it. Same goes for 88.

If you don't like a particular point of view, just convince the world that the people who hold that point of view eat babies and kick puppies and stuff.

No wonder they dig W's style so much.

[BSmack]

BSmack-

You are naive if you don't think that politicians already have your "personal" information.

All the more reason to be concerned.

[Diogenes]

Van doesn't get to change the parameters that I've set for my comparison, despite the monolithic effort he's undertaken in this thread to prove otherwise.

Van's stuck in the "big words make me right" phase...cut him some slack.

And as usual, you are in the '5000 words make me look like less of an idiot' phase. The problem with your stupid analogies is that the underling premises are bullshit. The Taliban and Iraq weren't friendly helpless neighbors, they were unrepentant allies of an organization that had declared and waged war on us, who had been given notice and decided to remain intransigent.The Patriot Act doesn't violate the BOR, no matter how much you whine about it. And a better analogy would be to Hitler after he marched into the Rhineland in violation of the WWI peace agreement. This time someone stepped up and dealt with him before he could become a regional or world-wide threat.

Stick to the spellcheck duties, you suck at this.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Better to live a day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb. Don't be afraid to point out the obvious, just because it's against the grain of popular opinion.

Actually, it's no longer against the grain of popular opinion. With the exception of this board, of course.

[BSmack]

Van doesn't get to change the parameters that I've set for my comparison, despite the monolithic effort he's undertaken in this thread to prove otherwise.

Van's stuck in the "big words make me right" phase...cut him some slack.

And as usual, you are in the '5000 words make me look like less of an idiot' phase. The problem with your stupid analogies is that the underling premises are bullshit. The Taliban and Iraq weren't friendly helpless neighbors, they were unrepentant allies of an organization that had declared and waged war on us, who had been given notice and decided to remain intransigent.The Patriot Act doesn't violate the BOR, no matter how much you whine about it. And a better analogy would be to Hitler after he marched into the Rhineland in violation of the WWI peace agreement. This time someone stepped up and dealt with him before he could become a regional or world-wide threat.

Stick to the spellcheck duties, you suck at this.

ANOTHER Hitler comparison?

Is it possible that perhaps maybe you should be cutting other people slack for their Hitler comparisons. You know, since you can't avoid them yourself?

[Mike the Lab Rat]

I haven't had the time to wade through the 300 posts in this thread, but the teacher's rant was a hot topic of discussion in the faculty room at my school..

My .02:

The teacher was out of line insofar as he was using his privileged position to make characterizations that were obviously politically biased (the guy obviously has a certain opinion regarding the U.S.'s "proper" role in the world...). It's 100% appropriate for him to *have* these views and express these views....but not in a frigging classroom where he is 'holding court." he should save his blasts for the op-ed page of a paper.

His job is to teach his discipline according to the curriculm approved by the school board and the state standards. Period. This nonsense of "teaching to transgress" or, in the words of some of my U of R education profs "to undermine the white, patriarchal, Western, heterosexist hegemony" has NO place in a public secondary school. None. Claiming to "just be showing the other side" of a topic but doing so in a tone that portrays an obvious bias on the teacher's part is patently unfair and intellectually dishonest. It's also piss-poor teaching.

In the subject area I teach, biology, there are certainly controversial topics on which I hold opinions - stem cell research, global warming, euthanasia, genetically modified crops and animals, abortion, the political nature of science funding, etc., but I make damned sure that, if the nature of the controversy is brought up at an appropriate juncture, that BOTH sides of the issue are discussed so that the kids know WHY there is a controversy. I want my students to grasp a very difficult concept (one that a lot of folks here don't get) - that it is possible for genuinely good, educated, well-intentioned folks to hold diametrically opposing viewpoints from yourself and that their beliefs are, in their minds, as well-supported as yours.

I'm no fan of the current administration (especially given my libertarian leanings and how the Bush administration has needlessly politicized scientific issues), but even I can hear the blatant bias in the teacher's screeching. It's pretty telling that the leftists on the board can't seem to hear it...

[Diogenes]

Van's stuck in the "big words make me right" phase...cut him some slack.

And as usual, you are in the '5000 words make me look like less of an idiot' phase. The problem with your stupid analogies is that the underling premises are bullshit. The Taliban and Iraq weren't friendly helpless neighbors, they were unrepentant allies of an organization that had declared and waged war on us, who had been given notice and decided to remain intransigent.The Patriot Act doesn't violate the BOR, no matter how much you whine about it. And a better analogy would be to Hitler after he marched into the Rhineland in violation of the WWI peace agreement. This time someone stepped up and dealt with him before he could become a regional or world-wide threat.

Stick to the spellcheck duties, you suck at this.

ANOTHER Hitler comparison?

Is it possible that perhaps maybe you should be cutting other people slack for their Hitler comparisons. You know, since you can't avoid them yourself?

Since A)This is the only Hitler comparison I've made (and in response to the idiotic ones put forth before) and B) I have yet to say anything about anyone else making comparisons to Hitler and C) I am actually making one that is valid unlike the crap being spewed by various leftwing twits, you might just want to STFU.

TIA.

[BSmack]

Since A)This is the only Hitler comparison I've made.

Wrong.

[Diogenes]

Since A)This is the only Hitler comparison I've made.

I'm still wrong.

Thanks for the update.