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Oklahoma caught cheating

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:43 am
by Adelpiero
buwahahaha

idiots laughed when MU got caught for illegal phone calls to recruits(all clemons crap was proven to be false) Now they get busted for same shit, and even worse than the mighty quin did!

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasket ... ry/9153113

The NCAA's look into the Oklahoma basketball program has every element of the modern-day NCAA investigation, including the 21st century smoking gun: a phone bill.

The NCAA alleges the OU coaching staff made more than 550 impermissible calls to recruits from April 2000 to September 2004. Oklahoma issued self-imposed sanctions, including two years of probation and a three-scholarship reduction.

The Sooners have to answer to the Infractions Committee in April. (Getty Images)
The Sooners have to answer to the Infractions Committee in April. (Getty Images)
With the NCAA chillingly not accepting those sanctions as being firm enough, Oklahoma faces the Infractions Committee in April.

Meanwhile, CBS SportsLine.com's investigation shows this case looks like so many others. The usual cast of characters:

The youth program: CBS SportsLine.com has learned that the NCAA's look into Oklahoma didn't begin in May 2004, as has been widely reported, but actually much earlier. As early as 2002, the NCAA was investigating the link between the Sooners and the region's most prominent club program, Athletes First, whose alumni include Duke's Shelden Williams, New Mexico's J.R. Giddens and OU recruits Kevin Bookout, De'Angelo Alexander, David Godbold, Taylor Griffin and Keith Clark. The NCAA questioned Athletes First players (and parents) in 2002, according to one person who was questioned, asking specifically about their relationship with then-OU assistant Ray Lopes. Athletes First coach Gary Vick told CBS SportsLine.com: "They talked to every single player on that team. They were asking in regards to myself, whether I was doing anything irregular. But I don't do that."

The exhibition team: Athletes First was founded in 1998 in conjunction with a traveling exhibition team that played Division I programs -- the very conflict of interest the NCAA legislated out of college basketball two years ago. The exhibition team in question was created in the late 1970s under the name Marathon Oil, then became known as Conoco Oil, then changed its name to Athletes First. Vick had been the exhibition coach since its Marathon Oil days, but in the late 1990s he began looking for elite high school players to create a club program. While Vick says the creation of the Athletes First club program had nothing to do with his exhibition team, CBS SportsLine.com spoke with the area talent scout who steered Vick toward Bookout, Alexander and Williams. "He told me he needed players," the scout said of Vick. "Coaches were telling him they couldn't play his (exhibition) team if he didn't have players they could recruit." Vick's exhibition team played Oklahoma annually from 2001-03 -- when the Sooners were getting commitments from Bookout, Alexander, Godbold and Griffin of Athletes First.

The booster: Athletes First was founded by J. Calvin Johnson of Oklahoma City, a 1984 graduate of the OU College of Medicine. Sources describe Johnson -- who was unavailable for comment despite multiple attempts by CBS SportsLine.com -- as an OU basketball booster. Vick says Johnson started Athletes First to prepare in-state players for elite competition, but says Johnson doesn't run the club's day-to-day operations. "I do," Vick said. "And we don't steer players to Oklahoma. If a kid wants to go to Oklahoma State -- like (OSU recruit) Obi Muonelo -- that's great."

The misdirection: The spin out of OU is that the Sooners were ensnared in the NCAA web that cost Lopes his job at Fresno State. Lopes resigned from Fresno State in March 2005 after it was discovered that he and his staff had made more than 400 impermissible phone calls to recruits from April 2002 to November 2004. Several sources, however, say the opposite is true: Lopes was dragged down by the NCAA's look into Oklahoma -- not vice versa. The NCAA's recent looks into Oklahoma -- first the Athletes First connection, then in 2004 with the phone calls -- were triggered by several rivals in the Big 12 who reported the Sooners to the NCAA.

The smoking gun: Lopes' attorney, Toby Baldwin, says the NCAA's notice of allegations makes no reference to Athletes First. In other words, if there was any wrongdoing between Oklahoma and Athletes First, the NCAA hasn't found it. However, the phone calls are another matter -- as usual. Phone bills have become the NCAA's easiest way to nail a program. In recent years, massive NCAA investigations into Auburn and Missouri turned up little in the way of hard evidence beyond impermissible phone calls. The same appears to be true at Oklahoma.

The friendly media: Only one newspaper in the state, the Oklahoman, has the manpower to cover this NCAA investigation. The Oklahoman is owned by the Gaylord family. The Sooners play football at Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium. Same Gaylords. The NCAA's allegations against Oklahoma are similar to the ones uncovered last year at Missouri. The media grilled Missouri. Oklahoma? Barely a peep.

The unimpeachable coach: Like Ohio State's Jim O'Brien before he was fired last summer, Oklahoma's Kelvin Sampson has been untouchable. He is a former president of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. In his tenure as president, with his profession reeling from the misdeeds at Baylor, Georgia and St. Bonaventure, the NABC created the Ethics Committee. According to the NCAA's investigation, Sampson made more than 200 of the impermissible calls.

The gray rulebook: In fairness to the OU coaching staff, the NCAA rule on phone calls -- "one per week" -- isn't exactly clear. For example, suppose Sampson calls Bookout and gets the mother instead. They speak for 45 seconds, and the mother asks Sampson to call back later. Sampson calls back and Bookout's dad answers. Again, no Bookout. Call back, Coach. Finally, Sampson finds Bookout. According to NCAA rules, that's three phone calls. Technically, though, Sampson and Kevin Bookout have spoken just once. Only the NCAA rulebook could be so thick, yet so incomplete.

The scapegoat: Like Missouri did with assistants Lane Odom and Tony Harvey, and like Ohio State has tried to do with Paul Biancardi, the best way for Oklahoma and Sampson to protect themselves from the NCAA's wrath is to blame Lopes, whose misconduct has been tied to two universities. But there are two problems. One, Sampson and Lopes are close friends. Two, Sampson is alleged to have made more than 200 of those calls himself, and the NCAA has accused him of not adequately monitoring his staff. That's why the Oklahoma violations have been deemed major.



rack the part about the tards at OU paper, grilling Mizzou for their phone call infractions(which were not even in the 500 ballpark) yet a minor peep in their paper! Fucking hipocrite dickbags!


get'em NCAA

What's fair is fair

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:37 am
by Bizzarofelice
I recently heard that Kelvin's denim shirts are not denim, but chambre.

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:17 am
by the_ouskull
We've already imposed sanctions on ourself, including some pretty harsh ones (like loss of scholarships, and the one that REALLY stands out to me... Kelvin isn't allowed to receive a raise or performance bonus of any kind, for x number of years...) at that, so I'm not really worried about anything else.

...and if I were a Mizzou fan, I'd be worried about my own team right now, not playing the Verizon Guy meets Sherlock Holmes.

the_ouskull

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:18 pm
by indyfrisco
skull,

So does it bother you OU did some major cheating or just that they got caught? :lol:

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:00 pm
by SunCoastSooner
IndyFrisco wrote:skull,

So does it bother you OU did some major cheating or just that they got caught? :lol:
Major cheating? Your joking right? The NCAA hasn't deemed these major violations. Greg Doyel fdrom CBS has. What a shocker that Greg Doyel is an aggie either. It also wasn't a chilling rejection as Greg "make believe" Doyel reports concerning our self imposed probation; Oklahoma knew months in advance that no matter what the recomendations were that the NCAA was going to make them appear before the infractions commitee. We knew because the NCAA told us so.

As far as the Marathon Oil - Atheletes First - University of Oklahoma connection this laughable and not even part of the NCAA investigation, the NCAA has already said there was no wrong doing. Eddie Sutton was asked about it on his radio show and he made a joking comment about how that "must have really helped them with Obi Mueneolou (sp?) didn't it" while laughing. Mike Gotlieb was asked about it on the radio, whose father is an AAU guru and he is a former aggie ball player also laughed at "the connection". The only connection between Athletes First (one of the premier AAU ball clubs in the country) is that the founder is a graduate of Oklahoma. What a wild shocker there in a state where 68% of all college graduates come from the same school that one of them is the founder of the biggest AAU squad in the state. Denny Price has questioned Kalvin Sampson on numerous occasions why it is that Oklahoma doesn't have better connections with Atheletes First than we have. If our connection were so damn pad locked with AF why didn't OU land Sheldon Williams, Obi Mueneoulo, Kelena Azumbuike, J.R Giddens, Marques Hayden, ect. The best players from Atheletes First rarely lands at Oklahoma and when we do get one why is that shocking that an in state babll player choose the largest and most successful school in his state? Everyone knew Bookout was going to be a Sooner from virtually birth. His family is an Oklahoma Legacy; his father is an OU grad, his mother was a track athelete and grad from OU, His oldest brother was an athelete at OU, his middle brother is the all time home run leader in Oklahoma baseball history, he was going to be a Sooner from Day one. With DeAngelo Alexander, I know him and his family, his cousin is one of my closest friends; there was nothing impropper, DeAngelo was waiting for a late offer from Duke (Sheldon Williams was pushing this) but Coach K pulled a full load and never offered. DeAngelo HATED Oklahoma State, they were never even a consideration despite what Greg Swaim states to the contrary. Kelvin broke it down to DeAngelo like this... Duke has a full load and a schollie isn't coming. There is a fulkl ride waiting for your name in Norman." He signed. Keith Clark went to school with my sister and was wearing OU gear since Junior High school. Oklahoma State made a run at him and came up short it was no real surprise. Taylor Griffen might have gone to OSU if they had offered him a schollie which never happened. Why the hell OSU didn't over Taylor is mind boggling to me cause the kid has the body of a Greek God and will be starter in next year most likely. David Godbold started at OU as a walk on, the best offer he had for a scholarship was from a Division II in Texass, it was only after we had a kid, from Atheletes First, back out of a commitment, and he show us just how much talent that he had, that we put him on schollie.

Doyel's source on this article was Greg Swaim another Oklahoma State graduate whose hate for Oklahoma is only over shadowed by his hatred for Atheletes First. You might wonder why he hates AF so much? The reasoning is simple, AF is one of the top five AAU ball clubs in the country and they refuse to get involved in any of Greg Swaims AAU events because of all the attempted violations that Greg Swaim commits at these tournaments. Atheletes First chooses to go to Ohio or California to play in tournaments at that time of year and pisses Swaim off that with all his "AAU extravaganzas" that he puts on he can't even get the big boys from his own back yard to attend.

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:25 pm
by indyfrisco
You sure know how to ruin a good fishing trip. Did you drink all the beer too? :brad:

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:32 pm
by Shoalzie
Why hasn't Babs tried to pile on here?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:18 pm
by the_ouskull
Two reasons...

1) MSU is about as innocent as a little kid with crumbs on his shirt...

2) OU didn't have any major violations...

Frisco... It's pretty hard to go fishing when the pond is all dried up... :D

...or did you not watch Mizzou kill us on the offensive glass last night...?

the_ouskull