8.9 quake hits Japan, and.....

[mvscal]

What, are you hanging on like a desperate toady?

--except that it's "organic" (pssst...so is uranium :wink: )..

Uranium isn't organic, you stupid asshole.

Huh?..it's an element, Avi?

Familiar with organic chemistry much? Guess not. Yes, you are a simple, stupid fuck.

[mvscal]

It's pretty damn obvious that the spent rods in Reactor 4 have been compromised.

And what, exactly, does that have to do with a reactor meltdown? I'll take your answer off the air.

[Dinsdale]

This thread needs to keep rolling -- LTS's knowledge of all things science is always fucking amusing, and his willingness to constantly put it on display never fails to produce some gut-busting moments.

But as usual, LTS, I'm here to help...

Uranium isn't an organic compound.

CO2 is.

Matter of fact, uranium isn't a compound at all, which is kind of a prerequisite for being an "organic compound."

Glad I could help.

BTW -- fuel cells? You bought into W's cash-grab for his oil company buddies?

You?

Really?

I'll help you out some more...

Unless you've come up with some radical new process that you're keeping a lid on, hydrogen is an absolute garbage fuel source.

You know where they get hydrogen?

It's fractionated from natural gas. Which results in about an 85% reduction in energy potential from just burning the gas to begin with.

Of course, it can always be extracted through electrolysis... and since your knowledge of all things scientific is quite well-established around here, I'll help you out some more...

The Laws of Thermodynamics pretty well cover the "something-for-nothing" theories... they don't work. You get way more energy out of the electricity than you'll ever get by burning the hydrogen it extracts.

The "exciting new fuel cell technology" folks (spurred by W Bush using it as an excuse to give corporate welfare to petroleum companies) crack me up. If by "new technology," they really meant "invented and patented in the 1800's, and been gathering dust ever since because they're useless," then you're on to something.

[Tom In VA]

Since then, LTS TRN 2 has referred to me as SS.

Knowing the character troll, LTS TRN, I don't think it's meant for that. I think it has more to do with suggesting your use of 88 as a nickname is code for HH. 88 is used as code within White Supremecist movement, it's like a "secret handshake". H is the the eight letter, so HH - Heil Hitler.

I think that's what he's driving at, with SS.

[Dinsdale]

I think that's what he's driving at, with SS.

The SS was also a particularly vile arm of the Third Reich.


I figure the radical anti-semite knows as the LTS troll is probably trying to be complimentary to 88.

[LTS TRN 2]

Sure, just like the Tea Baggers "aren't racist" (wink wink).

Look, I don't care if SS is goose-stepping about his backyard--or within the narrow runnels of his headspace.

I'm interested in the actual ideas, etc., upon which you clowns--as reasonable examples of the general clown population--are operating.

Perhaps SS is going to explain to us the Clean, Limitless, Organic, Workable, Nice qualities of "fracking" for natural gas. Let's stand by for that. :wink:

Uranium, meanwhile, is a basic element--you know, on the periodic chart? Yes, it's organic---mined and processed, etc.

What's with all the panties in a collective wad today? Oh, that's right, it's the end of nuclear power. And the end of the fake bluster of the fake ass clowns who just dutifully parrot all things Limpdick--and that sure includes nukes.

[Smackie Chan]

Uranium, meanwhile, is a basic element--you know, on the periodic chart? Yes, it's organic---mined and processed, etc.

:facepalm:

or·gan·ic – adjective
1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.

Should we go over this slowly to allow you to grasp why you're clowning yourself?

[LTS TRN 2]

Alright, good enough. Organic being carbon based. My use of the term simply refers to its natural origin. What's the point again?

After all, none is saying nuclear waste is some kind of "no biggie," and it's plenty obvious now that the nuclear fission model of boiling water is obsolete and far too dangerous. So..?

Unwad your panties and start getting with wind, solar, hydro, and fuel cell technology.

[LTS TRN 2]

Well no, boys, it's real. It's not just to distract you from the Wall St. heists, etc.

And so is the desertion of the brave rebels in Libya by our absurdly incompetent and cowardly state department. Not to digress.

[Dinsdale]

Should we go over this slowly to allow you to grasp why you're clowning yourself?

LTS's knowledge of all things science is always fucking amusing, and his willingness to constantly put it on display never fails to produce some gut-busting moments.

He's on a roll.

I think it's awesome the way he constantly lectures the rest of us about scientific topics, and then those of us who managed to make it through at least our sophomore year of high school collectively have to correct him.

Good stuff.

Nevermind that he doesn't know that an element, by definition, isn't organic... nevermind that he doesn't understand how much solar radiation hits the earth's surface... nevermind he doesn't know what a fuel cell is or does, and why it's been a dead end technology for 100+ years... nevermind that he doesn't know how much in the way of resources it takes to build and transport a windmill as opposed to how much power it occasionally produces...

he's got this science shit DOWN, dammit.

[Dr_Phibes]

He's a utopian socialist, rather than a scientific one.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Nevermind that he doesn't know that an element, by definition, isn't organic...

he's got this science shit DOWN, dammit.

He tripped over his words, dude. Not that he's been hitting the mark with factual accuracy, but...


...there you are kicking mud on the fat kid that slipped and landed face-first in his chocolate cupcake.
Hardy-harr-harr.

Says more about you than it does about him.

[mvscal]

And so is the desertion of the brave rebels in Libya by our absurdly incompetent and cowardly state department. Not to digress.

What happened to no blood for oil?

[Dinsdale]

...there you are kicking mud on the fat kid that slipped and landed face-first in his chocolate cupcake.
Hardy-harr-harr.

Says more about you than it does about him.

Saywhat?

I thought that's pretty much what we do here?


I would think that since he has at least enough brain function to get a computer powered up and logged in here, he'd at least be correct about something every once in a while, just by accident... but it doesn't happen.


It's the age-old paradox of mankind -- trying to convince an idiot they're an idiot, while they lack the brainpower to grasp why they're an idiot. It can't be done,but we insist on trying... much like LTS thinks he can foil the laws of thermodynamics.

[LTS TRN 2]

And so is the desertion of the brave rebels in Libya by our absurdly incompetent and cowardly state department. Not to digress.

What happened to no blood for oil?

Wee that appears to be exactly the case...No blood (risked) because we want the oil...

Now Dins, your idiotic attack is as drunk and unarranged as your Soros conspiracy rants. Whether or not uranium is technically organic is not the issue. Rather, SS was suggesting in his fatuous style that coal is somehow clean..i.e., organic. Okay, this is classic right wing hack nonsense. Just like your ludicrous and perversely stupid denial of climate change. You've in fact got nothing backing you up except for Koch funded fake experts...and Glenn beck--he's with you all the way....


You say fuel cell technology is dead? Are you kidding?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142931.htm

And you claim somehow to have credibility? Similarly on solar power---you're being left in the dust every day.

What do you support again?...Oh yeah, because there "is no Climate Change threat" we can just go on burning fossil fuel, right? Sorry, I forgot how up to date you are! Have another drink, it's early but you need it.

[OCmike]

Why is flooding the reactors with seawater so unbelievable?

There's a reason that when nuke experts heard that, they were stunned. Think of it as giving a child with a 105 degree fever a nice tall glass of iced battery acid...you might temporarily solve one problem, but you cause a whole host of new ones. In the case of salt water, when it reacts with the hot fuel rods, it creates hydrogen which results in the lovely explosions we all keep seeing on the news. It also contains brine, which (after the water evaporates) provides fuel for the fire, as well as clogging up the pipes with all kinds of crap that will make it extremely difficult if not impossible to cool down the pipes using the standard cooling pipes and pumps were they able to get them back on.

I wouldn't be surprised if after all this scare and hype by the media that the levels barely approach standing 10 feet away from microwave oven while cooking a bag of popcorn.


They want a disaster. The need a disaster. And if possible, they will manufacter one. It suits their purpose.

I agree. I think even the press was getting bored with the Charlie Sheen shit. This quake definitely provides a more interesting subject matter.

Normally that type of cynical thinking would be spot on. But not in this case. The situation is totally and completely fucked on a spectacular level. You know how when a forest fire gets too big and too hot that they just have to let it burn itself out? It's like that, except the shit on fire is plutonium.

As for the radiation reaching the West Coast, we're okay as long as the emissions are mostly limited to steam, which stays fairly low to the ground. It's the smoke from a sustained fire or irradiated dust from an explosion that could potentially carry up into the atmosphere, catch a ride on the jet stream and fall with a rainstorm in CA and the U&L. Even still, our chances of exposure are extremely small.

[Dinsdale]

You say fuel cell technology is dead? Are you kidding?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142931.htm

Funny stuff. A bunch of grant-whores at work.


Once again, I strongly urge you to learn what a langley is.


But since idiots like you exist, I suppose I don't blame these whores for trying to milk you for a buck or two or a few million.


But the history books are full of shysters trying to convince people that they've rewritten the basic laws of physics.

A house's rooftop is going to power not only the house's power demand, but power the owner's vehicle as well?

Really?

But seriously, LTS -- I beg of you to keep posting on scientific subject matter -- it's become one of the more entertaining aspects of this board.

[War Wagon]

Fair enough answer, OC, so I'll ask you then... was there a better alternative?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I thought that's pretty much what we do here?

I stand corrected.

[smackaholic]

A house's rooftop is going to power not only the house's power demand, but power the owner's vehicle as well?

Really?

Wasn't there a pic of TiVO wytched into a little tykes escalade floating around this dump?

[mvscal]

In the case of salt water, when it reacts with the hot fuel rods, it creates hydrogen

And fresh water doesn't?

[Dinsdale]

In the case of salt water, when it reacts with the hot fuel rods, it creates hydrogen

And fresh water doesn't?

Either way, you have to get H2O awfully hot before it disassociates just from heat.

[poptart]

extremely small

- LETS TURD's brain and dick

[BSmack]

It's pretty damn obvious that the spent rods in Reactor 4 have been compromised.

And what, exactly, does that have to do with a reactor meltdown? I'll take your answer off the air.

As per the head of the NRC...

"What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing Wednesday. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1

He goes on to say that the time has come for some unlucky Japanese nuke plant employees to play the role of Spock in the penultimate scene of Wrath Of Kahn.



But no, this is obviously, as you claim, a "success story."

[Dinsdale]

extremely small

- LETS TURD's brain and dick

Kind of prerequisites for buying into every bit of BS the radical left spews, even to the point one must throw out established, provable science to fall in line with the latest other-people's-money-grab.


I mean... just how tiny a dick and brain do you have to have to find your self-worth in proven-false science and debate over how to utilize that-which-does-not-belong-to-you?

[OCmike]

Fair enough answer, OC, so I'll ask you then... was there a better alternative?

I'm assuming they didn't think so. I suppose that even if they had a local source of fresh water like a lake or small pond, and were able to rig up a massive portable pumping station and power it, the water would've been full of dirt and debris and contaminated the salt water by the tsunami.

But it wasn't the use of salt water that caused such surprise inthe nuclear science world, it was the use of that radical of a step that soon. Basically, trying something that extreme...which had obviously never been done before...would be a last ditch step before filling the entire site with sand and concrete.

In the case of salt water, when it reacts with the hot fuel rods, it creates hydrogen

And fresh water doesn't?

No one said that. Go peddle your internet a-hole act elsewhere.

[Dr_Phibes]

I suppose that even if they had a local source of fresh water like a lake or small pond, and were able to rig up a massive portable pumping station and power it, the water would've been full of dirt and debris and contaminated the salt water by the tsunami.

I recall footage from 45 years ago that it was possible to drop a frozen lake on a reactor to them to cool them down adequately, yet they still refuse to do this. I thought they were supposed to be an advanced nation?

[mvscal]

In the case of salt water, when it reacts with the hot fuel rods, it creates hydrogen

And fresh water doesn't?

No one said that. Go peddle your internet a-hole act elsewhere.

You might want to look into getting a clue. The hydrogen isn't coming from the water. It's coming from the cladding on the fuel rods. When they get to hot it begins to oxidize with hydrogen being one of the byproducts.

Now go wipe your nose, you fucking crybaby.

[mvscal]

As per the head of the NRC...

"We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1

Needless to say, total incompetance is a necessary requirement for any post in the Oplatelip administration.

Fortunately, the Japs didn't get this helpful memo as they are busy dropping water on the pool by helicopter and have water cannon trucks standing by. They further anticipate power being restored in the next few hours.

[Dinsdale]

I recall footage from 45 years ago that it was possible to drop a frozen lake on a reactor to them to cool them down adequately, yet they still refuse to do this. I thought they were supposed to be an advanced nation?

They're probably advanced enough to be able to calculate the weight of ice, then they're advanced enough to pick themselves back up off the floor when they're done laughing at this idea.

For one -- it ain't canatcky -- it's above freezing during the day, so it's doubtful there's a very large solid chunk of ice to be had... granted, I'm unsure of this, sooooo, let's assume this frozen lake is available...


How, exactly, are you planning on moving this frozen lake?

Only plausible way I can think of (and I'm all ears) would be with a Sikorsky Sky Crane, which can carry 20,000#.

Math, anyone?

20,000 pounds divided by ~8.35 pounds-per-gallon works out to a whopping 2400 gallons of water, which would barely cool off KCScott's swimming pool after Papa Willie peed in it.


Someone sold you a whole buncha bullshit, unless Japan can enlist Megalon to move a chunk of ice for them.

[Dinsdale]

BTW -- Instead of naming that plant "Plant #1" ("ichi" in Japanese means #1), it would appear in hindsight that Dai'kyoni" would have been more appropriate...

A big ol' number 2.


BTW -- that just about exhausted my Japanese, and I could have easily screwed up a syllable or two.

[Carson]

I recall footage from 45 years ago that it was possible to drop a frozen lake on a reactor to them to cool them down adequately, yet they still refuse to do this. I thought they were supposed to be an advanced nation?

They're probably advanced enough to be able to calculate the weight of ice, then they're advanced enough to pick themselves back up off the floor when they're done laughing at this idea.

For one -- it ain't canatcky -- it's above freezing during the day, so it's doubtful there's a very large solid chunk of ice to be had... granted, I'm unsure of this, sooooo, let's assume this frozen lake is available...


How, exactly, are you planning on moving this frozen lake?

Only plausible way I can think of (and I'm all ears) would be with a Sikorsky Sky Crane, which can carry 20,000#.

Math, anyone?

20,000 pounds divided by ~8.35 pounds-per-gallon works out to a whopping 2400 gallons of water, which would barely cool off KCScott's swimming pool after Papa Willie peed in it.


Someone sold you a whole buncha bullshit, unless Japan can enlist Megalon to move a chunk of ice for them.

Phibes: Not only did you set the hook, it's going to take needle-nose pliers to get it out of his throat.

[Dr_Phibes]

Dins is way ahead of me. My findings indicate that Japan's plants have two layers of containment walling and only allow for venting excess gas OUT. Dropping a frozen lake onto the plant would only serve to damage the outer concrete layer.


Dr_Phibes P.H.D.

[BSmack]

As per the head of the NRC...

"We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1

Needless to say, total incompetance is a necessary requirement for any post in the Oplatelip administration.

Fortunately, the Japs didn't get this helpful memo as they are busy dropping water on the pool by helicopter and have water cannon trucks standing by. They further anticipate power being restored in the next few hours.

Yea, air dropping water is really going to help.

Having power restored ain't going to fix plumbing that was blown to kingdom come last week. And it ain't going to fix the pumps either.

[Mace]

Needless to say, total incompetance is a necessary requirement for any post in the Oplatelip administration.

Fortunately, the Japs didn't get this helpful memo as they are busy dropping water on the pool by helicopter and have water cannon trucks standing by. They further anticipate power being restored in the next few hours.

Their last ditch efforts using water drops and water cannons are being described as "using a squirt gun to fight a forest fire," and, from what I've read, they're a long way from having any power restored. They're fucked.

[OCmike]

You might want to look into getting a clue. The hydrogen isn't coming from the water. It's coming from the cladding on the fuel rods.

When they get to hot it begins to oxidize with hydrogen being one of the byproducts.

Now go wipe your nose, you fucking crybaby.

Oh, so it's magic? :?

The reason there's hydrogen there to be released and oxygen there to oxidize, is that the overheated rods are in contact with...wait for it...water.

Now either do a better job of Googling so you can add something to the discussion or fuck off.

[Sirfindafold]

5 pages and nary a mention this situation being George W Bush's fault.

WTF?

[LTS TRN 2]

Aw, hold on...

Now I'm not suggesting the Chimp could properly oversee or manage the opening of a jar of peanut butter...but he was POTUS when this went down..

With fears of a possible nuclear meltdown in Japan continuing to escalate, evidence that the nation received warnings over the stability of its power plants from an international watchdog more than two years ago has emerged via a new round of diplomatic cables accessed by WikiLeaks.

As the Telegraph is reporting, an official from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in December 2008 that safety rules were outdated, and strong earthquakes would pose a "serious problem" for the power stations.

A U.S. embassy cable quoted an unnamed expert who expressed concern that guidance on how to protect nuclear power stations from earthquakes had only been updated three times in the past 35 years. The document states: "He [the IAEA official] explained that safety guides for seismic safety have only been revised three times in the last 35 years and that the IAEA is now re-examining them. Also, the presenter noted recent earthquakes in some cases have exceeded the design basis for some nuclear plants, and that this is a serious problem that is now driving seismic safety work."

The Telegraph also reports that the government responded to the warnings by building an emergency response center at the now-embattled Fukushima Daiichi plant designed to withstand magnitude-7.0 temblors. Friday's earthquake, originally named a magnitude-8.9 shock, has since been upgraded to magnitude-9.0.

Among the other shocking disclosures: Taro Kono, a high-profile member of Japan's lower house, told U.S. diplomats in October 2008 that the government was "covering up" nuclear accidents and ignoring alternative forms of energy, including wind power, according to the Washington Post.


So you're asking...should the leader of the free world have take an initiative to insure the safety and stability of the biggest buyer of our worthless T-bills?

Well, yeah..

And did he?....

Oh sure, you'll insist, the Chimp would never intervene in some other nation's internal affairs.....right? I mean not without real hard evidence...?..right?

And of course the Chimp and his handlers would want to move ahead--like world leaders do--with bold new areas of energy development, like wind and solar...right?.

[smackaholic]

thanks a lot sir fistfukker.

[War Wagon]

With fears of a possible nuclear meltdown in Japan continuing to escalate, evidence that the nation received warnings over the stability of its power plants from an international watchdog more than two years ago has emerged via a new round of diplomatic cables accessed by WikiLeaks.

As the Telegraph is reporting, an official from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in December 2008 that safety rules were outdated, and strong earthquakes would pose a "serious problem" for the power stations.

A U.S. embassy cable quoted an unnamed expert who expressed concern that guidance on how to protect nuclear power stations from earthquakes had only been updated three times in the past 35 years. The document states: "He [the IAEA official] explained that safety guides for seismic safety have only been revised three times in the last 35 years and that the IAEA is now re-examining them.

Now wait just a minute... aren't you the guy who was extolling the virtues of Japanese safety standards compared to the U.S. just a few days ago?

Way to KYOA while trying to blame Bush, you pathetic dipshit.

What's next, you going to explain how global warming caused the tsunami?