Marathon

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:53 am

Any of you douchecisterns ever run one? My first will be May 2. I've run a half marathon, and I have run as far as 20 miles. I've had some trouble with my Achilles tendon all winter, so I haven't been able to train as much as I wanted to - but it's feeling better, and the weather is starting to cooperate...so I guess I'll get cracking on some longer distances in the next few weeks.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:35 am

dear pusfag,

you are old.

you are fat.

you ancestors have spent the last 5 thousand years or so developing alternate forms of transportation.

leave the 26 mile runs to those darkies from east africa who didn't even know what a fukkin' wheel was 20 years ago and have evolved accordingly.

sin,

your achilles

ps, i talked to the knees and they concur but are afraid to say anything.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:46 am

i used to take part in such lunacy 'til i ended up in my orthopod's office. he basically said, go ahead, keep runnin'. i got kids that will hopefully be in med school in about ten years and it ain't cheap. i'll need to do as many knee replacements as i can to pay for it.

i highly recommend you look into cycling. great workout and can actually be practical for shit like work commuting, errand running. and you don't have to mortgage the house for a decent bike. craigslist is full of quality used ones.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:54 am

I'm doing Ironman Florida in November. I'll be running a marathon after a little warmup of a 2.4 mile swim and a 112 mile bike. Big fuckin' deal about just doing a marathon.

Just kidding! I have yet to run 26.2 miles and I'm absolutely insane for choosing an Ironman as my first marathon run. That said, I'm a pretty decent triathlete and have three half Ironmans on schedule this year before the race in November. I'll do what I can on the swim and bike and death march my way through the run. I'm not going to lie... the marathon scares the shit out of me.

Be very, very careful about your Achilles issue. If it hurts then take care of it. Maybe mix in some intense exercise bike workouts to supplement the running if you can't pound through the training runs without pain. Get the cardio to where it needs to be first. You're only six weeks away.

Have fun, don't kill yourself.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:07 pm

Good luck, PUSFAN. Don't go Jim Fixx on us.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:29 pm

Rack Fu wrote:I'm doing Ironman Florida in November. I'll be running a marathon after a little warmup of a 2.4 mile swim and a 112 mile bike. Big fuckin' deal about just doing a marathon.

Just kidding! I have yet to run 26.2 miles and I'm absolutely insane for choosing an Ironman as my first marathon run. That said, I'm a pretty decent triathlete and have three half Ironmans on schedule this year before the race in November. I'll do what I can on the swim and bike and death march my way through the run. I'm not going to lie... the marathon scares the shit out of me.

Be very, very careful about your Achilles issue. If it hurts then take care of it. Maybe mix in some intense exercise bike workouts to supplement the running if you can't pound through the training runs without pain. Get the cardio to where it needs to be first. You're only six weeks away.

Have fun, don't kill yourself.

Rack anyone crazy enough to attempt, never mind finish a full ironman. What sort of time are you hoping for?

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:47 pm

smackaholic wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:I'm doing Ironman Florida in November. I'll be running a marathon after a little warmup of a 2.4 mile swim and a 112 mile bike. Big fuckin' deal about just doing a marathon.

Just kidding! I have yet to run 26.2 miles and I'm absolutely insane for choosing an Ironman as my first marathon run. That said, I'm a pretty decent triathlete and have three half Ironmans on schedule this year before the race in November. I'll do what I can on the swim and bike and death march my way through the run. I'm not going to lie... the marathon scares the shit out of me.

Be very, very careful about your Achilles issue. If it hurts then take care of it. Maybe mix in some intense exercise bike workouts to supplement the running if you can't pound through the training runs without pain. Get the cardio to where it needs to be first. You're only six weeks away.

Have fun, don't kill yourself.
Rack anyone crazy enough to attempt, never mind finish a full ironman. What sort of time are you hoping for?

I'm a good swimmer and a good cyclist. My goal is to finish the 2.4 mile swim in 1:15 minutes and the 112 mile bike in 5:30 or so (20 mph at least). Counting transitions would have me starting the run around the 7 hour mark. I'd love to finish in about 11:30 but anything under 12:00 would be a good race. That's all dependent on the weather being okay and not having any mechanical problems on the bike. If there are 20 mph winds or I get a flat tire or two then my bike time will obviously suffer. Basically, I'm going to give myself at least 4:30 to complete the run.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:48 pm

Good luck, PSU. I've never tried a full marathon...two halfs and was bored as fuck by ten miles in each. So I stick to 10Ks and an occasional 10 mile race.

That achilles...get it worked out quickly. Ankles, shins, even some knee shit can be run through, but not that achilles.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:54 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I've had some trouble with my Achilles tendon all winter,

You might want to stay home, send the wife and kids to a movie and jerk off to internet porn instead. Granted it isn't particularly adventurous but it beats being crippled I suppose.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:17 pm

mvscal wrote: You might want to stay home, (check) send the wife and kids to a movie (check, sort of. actually work and school) and jerk off to internet porn instead. (uhhh, i plead the fifth) Granted it isn't particularly adventurous but it beats being crippled I suppose.

rack

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:47 pm

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:I've had some trouble with my Achilles tendon all winter,
You might want to stay home, send the wife and kids to a movie and jerk off to internet porn instead. Granted it isn't particularly adventurous but it beats being crippled I suppose.

But what if he sprains that too?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:57 pm

PSUFAN wrote: I have run as far as 20 miles. I've had some trouble with my Achilles tendon all winter, so I haven't been able to train as much as I wanted to

The human species gave up running as a survival process about 10,000 years ago when they figured out how to turn the tables on the saber tooth tiger and make a meal out of it, instead of running for their own lives. Now they do it for fun ??

That little Achilles thing..just train through it you fucking pussy...pain there is NOT a warning sign. Besides, when that bitch gives loose and is flapping up your leg like a broken garage door spring, THEN you can get it worked on. Last dude I knew that blew his out was on sticks for over 9 months...

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:04 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
And as I got stronger and able to move around more, my mind started to wonder if I could actually do another triathlon, not an Ironman but just a sprint distance one.

On May 8th, we'll find out. :)

Brilliant idea....from the looks of that metal fabrication work in your back, running anything seems like a VERY bad idea...but then again, when your spine goes SSSNNNAAAPPPPP in the middle of your race, and you become a genuine quad, shitting in your own diapers, drooling, and basically a vegetable for the rest of your days until you go Christopher Reeve and die young...remember...I think I can do ...I know I can do it...I just have to find out IF I can do it. I say stay with the water aerobics and be glad you have motor function, can feed your self and shit and piss unassisted. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:41 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Rack you for going for a marathon. There's nothing like crossing that finish line.

I've done 3 of them and an ultra marathon as well, it was a 50K. All three marathon times were around 5:15. Yes, I am slow and I don't care.

To me the running was just a way to train for triathlons, which are more fun to me. Like Rack Fu, I was aiming for an Ironman distance race; unlike Rack Fu, I was merely trying to finish. Being as fast as he is boggles my mind. I've finished three half-ironman triathlons, but I never went under 8 hours, Rack Fu would have beaten me by 3 hours.

Then my body started to break down, no need to go through all those details again, but since my last triathlon I've had 8 surgeries. Before that, the finish line of an Ironman was a remote possibilty, it would have been a huge challenge for me to finish under the cut off time. After the surgeries, I'm forced to admit that it is no longer even a remote possibility.

About two years ago, I was partially paralyzed, losing the ability to move my right leg, and getting worse. I was just hoping to be able to walk again without falling down and to get rid of the intense pain. After two major back surgeries (xray1 xray2), the doctors told me that I should continue rehab in the pool doing water aerobics.

That was a few months ago. The pool has really helped. And as I got stronger and able to move around more, my mind started to wonder if I could actually do another triathlon, not an Ironman but just a sprint distance one.

On May 8th, we'll find out. :)

Rack you again for your marathon. And while you surely have a training program, check out the training program they have at the Chicago Marathon, they have some good ones for all levels of runners.

from the sounds of it, you were basically a healthy young man who figured it was a good idea to go out and run stupid distances.

now look at ya!

you account for a measurable percentage of surgical procedures in La.

but don't worry, pus. this couldn't happen to you. you go right ahead and run right through that achilles pain, ya fag.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:53 pm

Good luck. We expect a full report if not a PET. In my best days--- early 40's I could do 10K w/o much difficulty. Not enough Type I (slow twitch) muscle for anything longer. I remember reading that Frank Shorter had about 90% Type I muscle great for long distance and Carl Lewis had about 85% Type II which works for sprints and jumps.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:42 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Rack you for going for a marathon. There's nothing like crossing that finish line.

I've done 3 of them and an ultra marathon as well, it was a 50K. All three marathon times were around 5:15. Yes, I am slow and I don't care.

To me the running was just a way to train for triathlons, which are more fun to me. Like Rack Fu, I was aiming for an Ironman distance race; unlike Rack Fu, I was merely trying to finish. Being as fast as he is boggles my mind. I've finished three half-ironman triathlons, but I never went under 8 hours, Rack Fu would have beaten me by 3 hours.

Then my body started to break down, no need to go through all those details again, but since my last triathlon I've had 8 surgeries. Before that, the finish line of an Ironman was a remote possibilty, it would have been a huge challenge for me to finish under the cut off time. After the surgeries, I'm forced to admit that it is no longer even a remote possibility.

About two years ago, I was partially paralyzed, losing the ability to move my right leg, and getting worse. I was just hoping to be able to walk again without falling down and to get rid of the intense pain. After two major back surgeries (xray1 xray2), the doctors told me that I should continue rehab in the pool doing water aerobics.

That was a few months ago. The pool has really helped. And as I got stronger and able to move around more, my mind started to wonder if I could actually do another triathlon, not an Ironman but just a sprint distance one.

On May 8th, we'll find out. :)

Rack you again for your marathon. And while you surely have a training program, check out the training program they have at the Chicago Marathon, they have some good ones for all levels of runners.

Props for getting back out there. Hopefully you will be injury free and have a great time.

We have talked about this before but I'm in no way fast. I'm top 1/3 at best. A 12 hour finish at IM Florida puts me in about 900th place out of 2400. Looking to do the half in 5:30.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:20 pm

Wolfman wrote:Good luck. We expect a full report if not a PET. In my best days--- early 40's I could do 10K w/o much difficulty. Not enough Type I (slow twitch) muscle for anything longer. I remember reading that Frank Shorter had about 90% Type I muscle great for long distance and Carl Lewis had about 85% Type II which works for sprints and jumps.

sin,

wolfie allen the greek

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:43 pm

IN.

I've run three of 'em. Er... 'course, it took me six half-marathons to do it.

Seriously, fuggin' rack the effort PSU. Hope to "slay the dragon" myself come this October. The Hospital Hill half I'm presently training for is an Olympic Qualifier... Here's guessing smackaholic's "special" avatard would dust us both! :D

At any rate, PSU, you strike me as a "pack runner".

Station your ass behind this and it will be the fastest four hours of your life!

Best of luck PSU!

socal · Post by **socal** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:26 am

Run 10 of 'em. Last one was 1999 in Las Vegas. Should never have signed up for it. Won't do another one until I've trained properly. Did a half last year. Had an achilles injury that set me back this year. Took about 8 weeks off to cure it.

Know your body. Are you a heel striker or do you come down on the ball of your foot? I have terrible heel first mechanics that can make me injury prone. Am trying to correct it will barefoot jogs after training runs and strides during runs to get up on ball of foot. Hope to run another one in fall if all goes well.

Good luck, Dave.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:53 am

Torn achilles over here boss. Just standing in the middle of the football field coaching Pop Warner and the sucker cut loose. My first response, I looked up to the sky to see if an airplane part nailed me on the way down. Second response, HELP! one of the football moms' came out and saw my foot floppin around like a snapped twig and said...you're achilles just "snapped". A jolt, intense pain, sweats, and off to the hospital. That was somewhere around 19and91 and it's still a mess. Scar tissue prevents any running, as if I was up for that anyway. So I got the neck thingy going for me now, kinda takes my mind off the slight limp I was left with from the A-snap. It's all good, getting old definitely sucks at times, but hey, it beats the heck out of not getting old.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:55 pm

Rack Fu wrote:I'd love to finish in about 11:30 but anything under 12:00 would be a good race.

I hope you meet your goals. But I'd say finishing... period, would be pretty neat.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:11 pm

^^^^^^^^^^

Get's it. Fuckin' rack!

War PSU

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:49 am

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:I'd love to finish in about 11:30 but anything under 12:00 would be a good race.
I hope you meet your goals. But I'd say finishing... period, would be pretty neat.

I'd like to finish as fast as possible to shorten the torture and masochism of the day. :D

The 17 hour time limit (which would be midnight) is not something I want to worry about. I want to be completely passed out asleep or whimpering in the fetal position by midnight because every inch of my body is in agonizing pain... whichever is more appropriate. I will then spend the majority of the next day in a hot tub or in traction... whichever is more appropriate.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:28 am

Signed up for Ironman #2. Couldn't pass up one right at home: http://www.ironmantexas.com

That's gonna be a rough one with the late-May date. Non-wetsuit swim will make the swim super tough. Hitting the marathon portion at the hottest part of the day should be tons of fun. Nothing like running a marathon in the 90 degree heat after 2.4 miles of swimming and a 112 mile bike ride.

I may regret this decision.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:06 am

PSU, remember before I moved to NJ and did nothing but f-off more than I do now? I played the serve-and-volley style of tennis that has all but disappeared. I just remember serving and the initial hop before approach and I heard a loud POP! I hit the ground before I knew what happened. Left Achilles snapped and I was out for 7 months.

I remember when my dad and his buddies were in their mid-40's like I am now, they all started training for Marathons and they were ex-college D-1 football players, etc. going for it once again. The only person that kept doing that as a lifestyle was a neighbor that looks just like Ichabod Crane (and yes, he was a high school English teacher). That dude ran Marathons for many years after that. He ran the Boston Marathon for years and anything nearby like the San Fagsissyco. He had never played sports but found his calling at the age of 45. Props to him. That was a side story on old fucks.

I have discussed knee issues with Mace and a few others here about alternate fitness ideas. I've been watching this one program for about a year and when I saw it was mostly ex-military types around my age that are successful, I went on eBay and got the program for almost nothing. That P90X thing actually works. 90% mental and 10% physical. It's really hard and when I took the fitness test I was in horrible shape. Worse than I thought. Right now I'm midway through the 1st phase and I'm seeing results.

So for any of you fellow fat fucks that KNOW you are out of shape, I suggest trying the P90X thing. It's really fucking hard, but it's mostly mental. Workouts are 1 hr to 1.5 hrs a day.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:52 am

Jsc810 wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:Signed up for Ironman #2. Couldn't pass up one right at home: http://www.ironmantexas.com
Outstanding.

Going to join me?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:57 pm

Truman wrote: At any rate, PSU, you strike me as a "pack runner".

I'm sure they'll give him plenty of space.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:22 pm

Wolfman wrote:Good luck. We expect a full report if not a PET. In my best days--- early 40's I could do 10K w/o much difficulty. Not enough Type I (slow twitch) muscle for anything longer. I remember reading that Frank Shorter had about 90% Type I muscle great for long distance and Carl Lewis had about 85% Type II which works for sprints and jumps.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:36 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:Signed up for Ironman #2. Couldn't pass up one right at home: http://www.ironmantexas.com
Outstanding.

A little drive-by boasting and running related...

Missed a top-10 finish in my age group (M40-44) by "this" much at a triathlon today (500m swim, 15 mile bike and 3.5 mile run). I was 7th or 8th coming off the bike and was run down by 7 or 8 guys on the run to finish at 1:17 (15th out of 110 in my group and 83rd overall out of 1100 per prelim results). Blasted the bike at a almost a 24 mph clip but could only muster a 8:07/mile pace on the run. Not sure how those guys can run a 7:00/mile pace. I have some natural talent at biking, running not so much. I can't push past that pain threshold that good runners can push past.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:56 am

Jsc810 wrote:Rack your race, you probably would have beaten me by an hour, if I was going "fast".

Pics?

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:00 pm

Did Ironman 70.3 Syracuse yesterday. 1.2 mile swim/56 mile bike/13.1 mile run. Finished in five and a half hours with a 36 minute swim, 2:44 bike and 2:01 run. The weather was terrible - mid to upper-50's with fog and drizzly rain. The lake was 62 degrees for the swim. I was so cold the whole day since I'm accustomed to training in 100 degree heat. The people from the northeast didn't think the conditions were that bad but that's like a cold winters day in Houston. The bike course was real tough and hilly. 2700 feet of climbing during the 56 miles. I could've gone faster on the run but I was still haunted by that day in Galveston five months ago and wanted to take it easy early on and settle in. I think I ran the last three miles faster than the first three. No vomiting, no IV's and no hospital trip this time.

Next stop is Ironman Florida on November 6th. Bring on the 2.4/112/26.2!!!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:58 pm

fu, you need to take up bike racing. almost 24 mph without any drafting is hauling ass.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:32 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:Finished in five and a half hours
RACK that, abosolutely incredible. That's mind boggling fast to me, I've never done a half marathon in 2 hours, much less doing one in that time after swimming and biking like you did.

A full Ironman is an insane distance, but it sure looks like you're ready for it. RACK.

Word. Back when I ran a season of cross country, we used to do a half marathon on distance training days and it kicked the shit out of me. I can't even fathom that kind of stamina now.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:04 pm

These were my mileage run splits. I guess I didn't run the last three faster than the first three. Just felt like it. I bonked a bit miles 8-10. Once I got some calories in me I was back on target.

1 00:08:53
2 00:08:58
3 00:09:09
4 00:09:08
5 00:09:30
6 00:09:12
7 00:09:17
8 00:09:44
9 00:09:54
10 00:10:02
11 00:09:17
12 00:09:20
13 00:08:10
14 00:00:37 (only .1 miles)

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:07 am

Rack Fu wrote:with a 36 minute swim,

Learn to swim in the ghetto?

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:04 am

Can you open water swim 2000 meters in 36 minutes in 62 degree water with 1800 people without wearing yourself out so that you can bike and run for the next 5 hours? If not, you can shut the fuck up. And don't give me some Al Bundy story about how you swam faster when you were in high school. Present day, bitch.

I'm no Michael Phelps but that's not slow by any stretch of the imagination. The 1300 people behind me on the swim wouldn't have a problem with it.

Roger_the_Shrubber · Post by **Roger_the_Shrubber** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:27 am

I hereby challenge JSC to a 1 mile race.

The one with the most internal titanium gets a .30 second head start.

Assisting trained dogs are allowed, as are performance enhancing drugs.

Oh, and since he is a lawyer, he has to be blindfolded.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:40 am

Thread Topic: Marathon

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BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:01 am

Rack Fu wrote:Can you open water swim 2000 meters in 36 minutes in 62 degree water with 1800 people without wearing yourself out so that you can bike and run for the next 5 hours?

I've got to think that the splashing alone has to add a minute or two to the time. That sounds like trying to swim in a blender.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:22 pm

BSmack wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:Can you open water swim 2000 meters in 36 minutes in 62 degree water with 1800 people without wearing yourself out so that you can bike and run for the next 5 hours?
I've got to think that the splashing alone has to add a minute or two to the time. That sounds like trying to swim in a blender.

Actually, the start of an open water swim can be exactly like that. Or perhaps like playing roundball under the basket while in water.