bring the Pope to justice

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:40 pm

It's happening.

Careful what you wish for though because you just might get it.

Stanley Pickkkle · Post by **Stanley Pickkkle** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:14 pm

IMPEACH OBONGO

FOR HIGH CRIMES AND TREASION

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:17 pm

Jsc810 wrote: and imagine him in a suit, and Joseph Ratzinger becomes just a Bavarian bureaucrat who has failed in the only task he was ever set—that of damage control. ...

Lederhosen might be more appropriate.

Pikkkle, your thoughts?

Stanley Pickkkle · Post by **Stanley Pickkkle** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:25 pm

Mikey wrote:
Pikkkle, your thoughts?

Stanley Pickkkle · Post by **Stanley Pickkkle** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:26 pm

Can anybody guess what happens in the next picture?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:45 pm

Stanley Pickkkle wrote:
Can anybody guess what happens in the next picture?

Does it have something to do with you and Demetrious?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:57 pm

Stanley Pickkkle wrote:

Can anybody guess what happens in the next picture?

Let me guess. A coward - in every sense of the word - tries to impress his comrades by beating a helpless and powerless man or men with a stick.

And this turns you on ?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:58 pm

No doubt the Rottweiler would have joined in the fun, but being a conniving opportunist of the first rank, he avoided capture by the Soviets, etc.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:13 pm

I guess the dumbfucks who wrote that article and the one who posted it don't seem to realize that the Pope has functional immunity as head of state and Popes only leave office feet first.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:18 pm

The Pope has no state.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:22 pm

Wrong.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3819.htm

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:31 pm

Vatican City may officially be a "state" but it lacks many of the attributes that often would be considered necessary to define a state.

Basically it became a "state" because Uncle Benito said it was OK.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:36 pm

Mikey wrote:Vatican City may officially be a "state" but it lacks many of the attributes that often would be considered necessary to define a state.

Basically it became a "state" because Uncle Benito said it was OK.

It became a state because your country was the first to recognise it as such.

It is a sovereign state. No dispute.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:38 pm

It's the Holy See.

The Pope is the ruler of both the Vatican City State and the Holy See. The Holy See, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law.

Not much to argue there. It is abundantly clear that the Pope is a head of state under international law despite Hitchens' wishful thinking to the contrary.

White Cock · Post by **White Cock** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:54 pm

bring the Pope to justice

Fuckin' A!

Off with his head, I say! These a-holes have been the pinnacle of perversion since about 300AD. Times up.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:53 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
mvscal wrote:I guess the dumbfucks who wrote that article and the one who posted it don't seem to realize that the Pope has functional immunity as head of state and Popes only leave office feet first.
Oh, we don't go after heads of state?

Sincerely,
Manuel Noriega

Your google-fu fails you, my son.

Norieg's protection was a joke.

Sincerely,

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:57 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Oh, we don't go after heads of state?

Sincerely,
Manuel Noriega

Your google-fu fails you, my son.

He wasn't a legitimate head of state, fuckwit. He seized power from the legitimately elected leader (Endara).

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:01 pm

mvscal wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:Oh, we don't go after heads of state?

Sincerely,
Manuel Noriega

Your google-fu fails you, my son.
He wasn't a legitimate head of state, fuckwit. He seized power from the legitimately elected leader (Endara).

Yeah, unlike every other Presidente-For-Life that America bankrolls...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:02 pm

Remember that time when Diem fell down that flight of stairs? Yeah, that was so tragic.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:04 pm

And who elected the Pope?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:04 pm

Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?

The Devil.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:06 pm

Martyred wrote:
Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?

The Devil.

That would be an appointment, not an election.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:08 pm

Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?

The College of Cardinals. What, exactly, is the point you're trying to make? Do you even have one?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:16 pm

Martyred wrote:Remember that time when Diem fell down that flight of stairs? Yeah, that was so tragic.

We didn't kill him. We just didn't stop it and we should have. Sure he was corrupt as all fuck and was bitterly hated by the overwhelming Buddhist majority but he was the only effective anti-Communist leader the South had.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:19 pm

While I'd like to see the Pope led off in chains, perhaps while he's still free to flap his rotten gums, the deplorable example he presents can help wake everyday Catholics from their sheeple stupor. Nothing would reform the stinkingly corrupt Church faster than the waking of the Fold to moral evaluation - something heretofore unknown to them.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:22 pm

Drop for fifty or don't drop at all, Avi.

The legal standing of the pope and his massive syndicate once upon a time held sway. Now it's the court of public opinion that counts. The Rott knows this--and that the control of information--upon which the entire scam is historically based--has been loosened. Problem is, it's the usual insane protestants who are really salivating at the demise of the Whore, etc. Sure, he'll be carried out amid the swinging incense and singing, and a new nervous fellow will be installed.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:58 pm

PSUFAN wrote:While I'd like to see the Pope led off in chains, perhaps while he's still free to flap his rotten gums, the deplorable example he presents can help wake everyday Catholics from their sheeple stupor. Nothing would reform the stinkingly corrupt Church faster than the waking of the Fold to moral evaluation - something heretofore unknown to them.

Hey dude, while you're up there can you make sure to have it bright and sunny this weekend ? I've got some plans.

TIA

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:55 am

mvscal wrote:
Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?
The College of Cardinals. What, exactly, is the point you're trying to make? Do you even have one?

The Vatican has no permanent citizens.

58 Cardinals, none of whom actually live there.
A couple hundred other clergy.
The Swiss Guard.

All of them appointed by the Pope either directly or indirectly, and none of these will remain citizens once their appointments are over.

And the Pope is "elected" by the Cardinals. His claim to "sovereignty" or whatever over some basically non-existent state is no more and no less legitimate than Noriega's was.

But hey, if you want to kiss his ass, be my guest.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:22 am

Lo and behold the hero of this story is .....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/26/church ... index.html

Even some of Anderson's opponents see him more as a true believer than a church-obsessed variation of a lawyerly ambulance chaser.

"Jeff is not just after money," said Jeffrey Lena, a U.S.-based lawyer for the Vatican. "He has enough to buy his own island if he wants. (But) what he is doing in these cases is part of his conception of himself. People figure out in life that there was something they really want to do, and I think he believes he has figured that out."

Anderson raised three children in the Roman Catholic tradition of his first wife, but his work representing abuse victims in the 1980s turned him off to organized religion. He became an atheist but says he regained his faith 13 years ago, when he began confronting his alcoholism at AA meetings.

"I had to look at myself and turn things over to a higher spiritual power," said Anderson, who doesn't identify with a religious tradition and describes his faith as "eclectic."

In 2002, revelations of church abuse and cover-up in Boston set off a wave of priest abuse allegations that turned church lawsuits into a national industry. "Until that time, it was a solo journey," Anderson said. "That set me on another trajectory entirely, with an intensity that hasn't slowed much if it all."

Well it isn't clear that he's Catholic, only that he raised his children in the "Roman Catholic tradition of his first wife".

But he was a friend of Bill W for awhile.

Man, between him and Ruppert this country and the church might actually get cleaned up a bit.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:46 am

Mikey wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?
The College of Cardinals. What, exactly, is the point you're trying to make? Do you even have one?
The Vatican has no permanent citizens.

58 Cardinals, none of whom actually live there.
A couple hundred other clergy.
The Swiss Guard.

All of them appointed by the Pope either directly or indirectly, and none of these will remain citizens once their appointments are over.

And the Pope is "elected" by the Cardinals. His claim to "sovereignty" or whatever over some basically non-existent state is no more and no less legitimate than Noriega's was.

But hey, if you want to kiss his ass, be my guest.

What part of this are you struggling to comprehend? I'll help you out.

The Pope is the ruler of both the Vatican City State and the Holy See. The Holy See, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:31 am

Tom In VA wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:While I'd like to see the Pope led off in chains, perhaps while he's still free to flap his rotten gums, the deplorable example he presents can help wake everyday Catholics from their sheeple stupor. Nothing would reform the stinkingly corrupt Church faster than the waking of the Fold to moral evaluation - something heretofore unknown to them.
Hey dude, while you're up there can you make sure to have it bright and sunny this weekend ? I've got some plans.

TIA

If deploring pedo criminals is to wax holier-than-thou, Tom...I guess I'm fine with that.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:19 am

Martyred wrote:
Mikey wrote:And who elected the Pope?

The Devil.

haha

I knew you'd catch on eventually, Marty.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:44 pm

PSUFAN wrote: If deploring pedo criminals is to wax holier-than-thou, Tom...I guess I'm fine with that.

That's not what I was referring to and you know it.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:06 pm

mvscal wrote:The Pope is the ruler of both the Vatican City State and the Holy See. The Holy See, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law.

Duh, moron. Did I ever say that it wasn't "a sovereign juridical entity under international law"? And you've never made a point that some law, international or other, is a little ridiculous?

If Google decided to build a wall around their campus in the Bay Area, dress their board of directors in funny hats, and declare that they're a sovereign state, Sergey Brin is President for life and infallible representative of cyberspace on earth, it would be pretty close to the same thing. And if the USA recognized them as a "sovereign juridical entity" it would be "legal" but about as ridiculous.

But you'd still come in with some obvious statement of fact, and no discussion at all. Apparently you think that makes you look smart or something.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:16 pm

Mikey wrote:Did I ever say that it wasn't "a sovereign juridical entity under international law"?

Yes.

If Google decided to build a wall around their campus in the Bay Area, dress their board of directors in funny hats, and declare that they're a sovereign state, Sergey Brin is President for life and infallible representative of cyberspace on earth, it would be pretty close to the same thing.

Uh, no. It wouldn't.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:43 pm

Mikey wrote:But you'd still come in with some obvious statement of fact, and no discussion at all.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:02 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Mikey wrote:But you'd still come in with some obvious statement of fact, and no discussion at all.

What's so funny?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:14 pm

Mikey wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:
Mikey wrote:But you'd still come in with some obvious statement of fact, and no discussion at all.

What's so funny?

That's kinda sorta exactly what mvscal did.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:21 pm

Yep, and it's a typical and transparent tactic.

Hypothetical example:

Mikey:
Air pollution is getting really bad in parts of the country. The Feds should be able to set standards, but state and local governments should also be able to legislate levels and emissions of criteria pollutants.

mvscal:
The sky is blue.

Mikey:
Uh, OK. Thanks for contributing.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:27 pm

Mikey wrote:Yep, and it's a typical and transparent tactic.

What is ? Bringing facts to an argument ?

Your statement read funny, that's all.

I don't care about weather the Holy See is a state, country, blah blah blah. It just read funny because it read like a complaint ... "You'll just bring facts and not discuss the matter".

We can disuccess 2+2 all the live the long day, it won't change the FACT it equals 4 (semantics aside).