Pres Bush should be tried for MURDER!

[Cuda]

Are we currently at war with Iran?

Are you claiming we're at peace with Iran?

[Tom In VA]

I think we just need a man in office who is willing to sit down with Mahmoud and "get real" with him. Have some brews, some male bonding, take him out to the clubs in NY and get him laid. Then he'll see we're not such bad folks after all and he'll be cool.

[Smackie Chan]

Are we currently at war with Iran?

We are fighting nutters who are trained, financed and equipped by Iran.

What would you call it?

A proxy war?

[Goober McTuber]

Are we currently at war with Iran?

We are fighting nutters who are trained, financed and equipped by Iran.

Only because of Bush's Folly in Iraq. Are you suggesting that we should start dropping nukes on Iran? I just want to know if you're as nutty as Cooter.

[Goober McTuber]

Only because of Bush's Folly in Iraq.

Besides being factually incorrect, what does that have to do with anything?

Weren’t you suggesting that we’re fighting these Iranian nutters in Iraq?

[War Wagon]

Do you honestly believe that George W. Bush will ever be regarded in the same light as Truman?

That's entirely possible.

Trumans approval ratings during his last year in office were even lower than Bushs currently are. You can't judge a presidents legacy until years after he's left office. The popular opinion right now is that Bush is Satan, but so was the opinion of Truman at the time and to a lesser extent Reagan.

Seems you're the one in "lockstep", Goobs.

[Goober McTuber]

The nutters wouldn’t be killing American soldiers in Iraq if President Chucklehead hadn’t put them there in the first place. Again, should we really be dropping nukes on Iran right now?

Whitey, Bush isn’t Satan. He’s just a dumbfuck. A dumbfuck who’ll go down as one of our all-time worst presidents ever.

[Goober McTuber]

I’m wondering if Iran would even be meddling in Iraq right now if the US weren’t meddling in Iraq right now.

[Mister Bushice]

Do you honestly believe that George W. Bush will ever be regarded in the same light as Truman?

That's entirely possible.

Trumans approval ratings during his last year in office were even lower than Bushs currently are. You can't judge a presidents legacy until years after he's left office. The popular opinion right now is that Bush is Satan, but so was the opinion of Truman at the time and to a lesser extent Reagan.

Seems you're the one in "lockstep", Goobs.

Bah. You're speaking of popular opinion as opposed to accomplishments. Bush couldn't come close on the accomplishment comparison. No war time president is popular.

[Goober McTuber]

There’s a number of people in the US who don’t like what we’re doing in Iraq. Your internet tough guy persona plays well here at T1B. At least it’s good for a laugh. The US adopting such a stance for conducting foreign policy hasn’t been quite so amusing.

[Cuda]

Nukes are not yet indicated.

Fuckin killjoy

[Jack]

The ability to sit on your ass and post 17000 times in 3 years in each of the multiple boards that you are a member of does not give you any credence as an intelligent individual...

There is a difference between going to war against individuals and going to war against countries.

How many of you have ever served in the military?
How many of you are able to serve in the military?
How many of you have ever served in combat?
If so, please describe the reality of war to those who post and do not know!

If you are pro war and unable or unwilling to serve, will you accept a tax increase to support current military engagements?
What if we go to war with Iran? Will you be willing to step up then?

If lawmakers ultimately give President George W. Bush the war funds he has requested, Congress will have appropriated more than $800 billion for combat in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001. Most of those funds have been used in Iraq.
With our current economy, how much more will the public stand?

[PSUFAN]

I can respect a strong, forceful, assertive foreign policy approach. I cannot respect a stupid, ignorant, greedy foreign policy approach.

You tell me which one Bush's folks offered us.

[Cuda]

O'Bigot will offer us an assertively stupid foreign policy. He's already said so

[Goober McTuber]

The US adopting such a stance for conducting foreign policy hasn’t been quite so amusing.

Yeah, let's just bend over for every third world puke with an axe to grind. That'll work out great.

What PSUFAN said.

[Risa]

is mvscal on prozac? dude, you're unbelieveably calm in this thread. is everything alright (for real)?

[Mister Bushice]

I can respect a strong, forceful, assertive foreign policy approach. I cannot respect a stupid, ignorant, greedy foreign policy approach.

You tell me which one Bush's folks offered us.

A little of both. He has the right idea though the execution has been wanting at times.

At times? The execution has been wanting pretty much from the start. I agree we should be fighting terrorism, but his implementation of that concept has sucked from the start.

[Tom In VA]

The actual war fighting has been top notch. It's the post war stabilization that has been fucked up.

"Has been" being the operative word. Like any situation it took time to adapt. Would you agree ? The thing here is, apparently PSUFAN was correct and much of the obstacles to adapting quickly fell squarely in the lap of Rumsfeld and the officers he had. The overhauls that took place since Rumsfeld left have been "top notch" as well. Interested in your opinion on that as well.

[Mister Bushice]

The actual war fighting has been top notch. It's the post war stabilization that has been fucked up.

As long as you set the date for "war fighting" to be just prior to Bush unfurling his "Mission Accomplished" banner, I agree.

[Tom In VA]

The actual war fighting has been top notch. It's the post war stabilization that has been fucked up.

As long as you set the date for "war fighting" to be just prior to Bush unfurling his "Mission Accomplished" banner, I agree.

That was the ship's banner because the ship accomplished it's mission and was heading home.

[Jack]

The actual war fighting has been top notch. It's the post war stabilization that has been fucked up.

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It's not a game. and those 3rd worlders...

I will bet your ancestors are/ 3rd worlders.

America is made up of alot of third worlders.
I will bet you have a very 3rd world last name..

Think before posting!

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What would Catherine and James think?

[War Wagon]

The execution has been wanting pretty much from the start. I agree we should be fighting terrorism, but his implementation of that concept has sucked from the start.

So says armchair General Bushice. So, what exactly would your astute military mind have done differently "from the start".

Jeez, I love the hindsight is 20/20 second guessers.

[Cuda]

Think before posting!

irony much?

[Tom In VA]

Jeez, I love the hindsight is 20/20 second guessers.

On thing is for certain, we wouldn't know anything for certain if it wasn't for the invasion. That 20/20 vision was provided for us by the men and women of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.

Even running around saying "See, there were no WMD's" - That's right, apparently there weren't and we know that for certain because Saddam was removed.


Saddam Lied - People Died.

[War Wagon]

The actual war fighting has been top notch. It's the post war stabilization that has been fucked up.

It's difficult to stabilize a society with competing, murderous, fanatical religious factions who really aren't all that interested in cooperating with each other.

It will take time, perhaps much longer than expected, but it can be done. It has to be done. No way can the U.S. just up and leave that place or it will devolve into a worse situation than when Saddam ruled.

[Mister Bushice]

The execution has been wanting pretty much from the start. I agree we should be fighting terrorism, but his implementation of that concept has sucked from the start.

So says armchair General Bushice. So, what exactly would your astute military mind have done differently "from the start".

Jeez, I love the hindsight is 20/20 second guessers.

Hmmm... for a start - I would not have invaded at that time. Your "Hindsight" has proven that based on the reasons for the war, not invading iraq would have been the better choice. There were no wmds, and Saddam was a pissant cockroach.

If it had been my choice I would have waited and gone after Iran when they began ramping up their nuclear program. THAT remains a bigger threat than saddam ever was.

Besides that, Saddam was no threat to the continental US.

Now 523 billion dollars in and counting (1/3 of a billion per day, 2 billion per week), 4,000 plus deaths and nearly 30,000 wounded, I don't think the price paid was worth the result, or lack thereof.

[Mister Bushice]

Even some of the present military leaders are saying we aren't equipped to handle any type of additional deployment of troops to other areas of the world. The military is stretched too thin right now.

And no, they aren't including "turning iran into glass" as a solution.

[War Wagon]

Now 523 billion dollars in and counting (1/3 of a billion per day, 2 billion per week), 4,000 plus deaths and nearly 30,000 wounded, I don't think the price paid was worth the result, or lack thereof.

And neither does 2/3rds of the country, but one thing for sure. If we leave the job undone, it definitely won't have been worth it. Not to make light of one lost American serviceman, but we sacrificed 58,000 in Vietnam and didn't get shit to show for it other than some great counter culture music and movies.

I guess I'm more interested in what happens from here forward rather than placing blame for water already under the bridge.

Yeah, maybe that's a convenient copout since I supported the invasion to begin with. Hell, I wanted Saddam taken out during Desert Storm in 1991 and am still pissed at daddy Bush for not taking care of that business when he had the chance.

Who knows, maybe if that happens, the WTC is still standing.

[Mister Bushice]

I'm not making shit up. If the current military leadership says we are not ready for any other military action and you say we are, who the fuck do you expect me to believe, Gen Armchair Von Mvscal or a real General?

[LTS TRN 2]

Where, babs, do you get off calling Iran a "third-world" nation? It's not and hasn't been for a long, long time. Your childish hysterical pants-pissing anger is pathetic. Problem is, there are actual world-class criminals currently in charge of the Military-Corporate Complex, planning and committing gigantic catastrophes as we speak, who basically share your twisted Rusp Limpdickian headspace. And thus, like a cockroach or a vermin of some sort, you must be dealt with, if only with a periodic roachmoteling, as it were.

[huh?]

What's your fucking point? We aren't supposed to pursue our national interests for fear that somebody else might not like it?

I think the point was that it was not in our national interests to invade Iraq.

Oh well we're probably there until an Oil Sharing Agreement that is to our liking is signed. Shortly thereafter we increase our payments to the Clerics we've been paying off during the "surge", declare "VICTORY", and wrap it up. Heck of a job USA!

[huh?]

How has our national interest been served by invading Iraq?

[Cuda]

After 9/11, a confrontation with Saddam hussein was inevitable. The only question was when. He was financially supporting terrorist organizations in the region, had a history of aggression in the region, and at the time, everybody in the fucking world believed he had WMD's- and in fact did have some banned WMD's in his possession. (and don't bother with the "they were out-dated, pre-1990" horseshit; every year, Darwin still claims a handful of dumbfucks who thought civil-war relics were safe) According to the cease fire terms from Gulf War I, he wasn't supposed to fucking have ANY. In any event, the UN sanctions- which were also part of the cease-fire agreement, were under constant assault by Saddam (anybody remember the Oil-For-Bribes scandal?) He also maintained the capability of quickly reconstituting his WMD manufacturing program once the UN sanctions went away.

[Mister Bushice]

thought civil-war relics were safe.

Tell that to Maces sheep.

[huh?]

Even though you didn't answer the question, I assume you were directing this at me Cuda.

After 9/11, a confrontation with Saddam hussein was inevitable.

Confrontation probably, war premptive or otherwise hardly.

He was financially supporting terrorist organizations in the region

As do 2/3 of the countries in the world, what's your point.

had a history of aggression in the region

True enough. Once he was doing our bidding. The other time left him an impotent dog.

everybody in the fucking world believed he had WMD's

If by everybody you mean the people we spoon-fed our cherry picked intelligence to in order to create the circular logic that "everyone believed he had them", then OK. Still seems odd that the people actually on the ground looking for them maintained they weren't there.

- and in fact did have some banned WMD's in his possession. (and don't bother with the "they were out-dated, pre-1990" horseshit; every year, Darwin still claims a handful of dumbfucks who thought civil-war relics were safe) According to the cease fire terms from Gulf War I, he wasn't supposed to fucking have ANY. In any event, the UN sanctions- which were also part of the cease-fire agreement, were under constant assault by Saddam (anybody remember the Oil-For-Bribes scandal?) He also maintained the capability of quickly reconstituting his WMD manufacturing program once the UN sanctions went away.

Ball all that up together and put a bow on it and still it comes nowhere near justification for starting a second war while still trying to find the culprits of 9/11.

[Cuda]

everybody in the fucking world believed he had WMD's

If by everybody you mean the people we spoon-fed our cherry picked intelligence to in order to create the circular logic that "everyone believed he had them", then OK.

The Limeys, the French, the Krauts & the Russkies have their own intelligence agencies you fucking nitwit; they don't rely on anything the CIA says unless they've already independently verfied it themselves

- and in fact did have some banned WMD's in his possession. (and don't bother with the "they were out-dated, pre-1990" horseshit; every year, Darwin still claims a handful of dumbfucks who thought civil-war relics were safe) According to the cease fire terms from Gulf War I, he wasn't supposed to fucking have ANY. In any event, the UN sanctions- which were also part of the cease-fire agreement, were under constant assault by Saddam (anybody remember the Oil-For-Bribes scandal?) He also maintained the capability of quickly reconstituting his WMD manufacturing program once the UN sanctions went away.

Ball all that up together and put a bow on it and still it comes nowhere near justification for starting a second war while still trying to find the culprits of 9/11.

Any single one of them is justification, dipshit. And you don't ignore a looming threat while you're trying to eliminate another.

[LTS TRN 2]

So, Cuda-prick, you are babs!

Just a piece of shit troll for a Rove Monkey. It figures.

Anyways, your tedious spiral of inversion and denial is played out. Deal with it. Everyone in the world--'cept for the Cheney/Ziocon consortium--said DON'T INVADE!! Sure, Tony Poodle went along, and like every other leader who did, got run (think, Italy, Spain). It was a pure propaganda effort, facillitated to a tremendous degree by a mealy and cowed corporate media. 'Cept Ziocon fifth-columnists like Judith Miller and William Safire, who gleefully piled on outright lies.

The cost? Fuck babs' (your) inane reckoning, suicides of soldiers are at an all-time high. Our budget is the running the biggest deficit in the history of the known universe. Our international reputation is trashed. And, a TRILLION dollars really is some serious money.

You are a complete fake asshole.

[LTS TRN 2]

That's what inspectors are for. Problem was, Rove and Feith and Libby--and the whole gang of Ziocon fanatics--immediately set upon an all-out smear campaign against the various inspectors and their agencies. It wasn't just a "rush to war," but a concerted (and completely criminal) instigation of a massive act of aggression upon an innocent nation.

The entire (unelected) cabal of this vile administration should be hauled straight to the Hague for trials and hanging. And really, they should be tried for the exact crimes of Ribbentrob, etc.

"Karl, Scooter, Doug, good to see you...where's Dick?...He did?..Lucky bastard!"

[Sirfindafold]

Where, babs, do you get off calling Iran a "third-world" nation?

This little Iranian shoplifter probably wished he was living in a third world nation.

[Kierland]

4,000 American soldiers dead? Big fucking deal.
They're a squirt of piss in the ocean.

Sin,
mvscal