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This is why I can't stand this cocky S.O.B.

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Johhny Miller thinks his 63 at Oakmont in '73 is the reason for tough conditions the USGA sets up for the players at the Open. He is such a douche.

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Johnny Miller can rattle off the clubs and distances as if he were recounting his round in the press room today. He remembers all nine birdies at Oakmont Country Club, along with a couple of putts that could have made the score even more spectacular. And he remains convinced -- 34 years later -- that his record-setting 63 led to some U.S. Open misery that still exists.

The memories of a year later at Winged Foot in 1974 are nearly as vivid. Players moaning about brutal course conditions, with rough so deep they had grass stains on their knees. And snide comments directed at Miller, blaming him for the carnage.

As the U.S. Open returns to Oakmont this week for a record eighth time, there are still those who wonder whether Miller's 63 led United States Golf Association officials to purposely alter the course setup to make it play more difficult.


"Absolutely, for sure," said Miller, the longtime NBC television analyst who will work this week's telecast. "One hundred percent, no doubt about it. Actions speak louder than words. The next year … there was nothing like it before, nothing like it after."
That is an opinion USGA officials -- including the man who set up Winged Foot in 1974 -- take issue with. Sandy Tatum, a former USGA president who had a role in setting up the Open courses at Oakmont and Winged Foot, said Miller's low score was not a factor.

"Johnny Miller's 63 did not enter my mind in any way, shape or form," Tatum, 86, said during a recent interview. At the time, he was chairman of the USGA's championship committee. "I was only concerned about trying to set up Winged Foot. It's of some note, but Johnny has, during the telecast of the Open, said that his 63 was basically the reason we set up Winged Foot as we did. He can have that point of view, but it ain't so."

Told of Tatum's comments, Miller quipped, "His nose used to be shorter, too."


The year following Miller's 63, the Open was famously referred to as the "Massacre at Winged Foot." Hale Irwin's winning score of 7-over 287 was the highest in relation to par since 1963, when Julius Boros defeated Arnold Palmer and Jacky Cupit in a playoff after they finished 9-over 293 at The Country Club. Before that, you had to go back to Jack Fleck's playoff victory over Ben Hogan in 1955 at the Olympic Club in San Francisco. They finished at 7-over 287.
"It seemed like every tour pro was on me," Miller recalled of the 1974 Open. "'Thanks a lot, Miller, for that 63. You're the reason we've got rough like this.' It was in response to that. That was by far the toughest rough in history."

The following year, the Open went to Medinah, where the winning score was 3-over. Three years later at Cherry Hills, it was 1-over. And then Jack Nicklaus set the U.S. Open scoring record in 1980 at Baltusrol, shooting 8-under 272. During that Open, both Nicklaus and Tom Weiskopf shot 63 in the opening round.

But if the USGA was mad, there was no backlash after Baltusrol. After Nicklaus' fourth Open title, every winning score was under par until 1995, when Corey Pavin won at Shinnecock Hills at even par -- two years following Lee Janzen's record-tying total of 272 at Baltusrol.

Although Open venues were always difficult and often controversial, the first time since Andy North's 1978 victory that a winning score was over par came last year at Winged Foot, when Geoff Ogilvy was the winner at 5-over 285.


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In 2003 at Olympia Fields, Jim Furyk matched the U.S. Open scoring record of 272. During the second round, Vijay Singh shot just the fourth 63 in Open history and for a time seemed poised to break the record.
Since then, we've seen three straight years of difficult conditions, including the final round in 2004 at Shinnecock Hills when many players felt the course was unplayable. Michael Campbell was the only player to match par at Pinehurst in 2005. And last year's winning total was the highest since Irwin won at the same venue 33 years earlier.

Coincidence? "I don't think what happened at Olympia Fields had any bearing," said Fred Ridley, the USGA president in 2004-05. "Shinnecock was a convergence of very unusual circumstances, almost totally unanticipated. I don't think the result was something the USGA was happy about. Walter Driver [now the USGA president], who was the chairman of the championship committee, went to great lengths to articulate the course setup philosophy as it related to the U.S. Open and all the USGA championships.

"The situation as it related to the Shinnecock experience I don't think was any reaction to what was perceived as an easier setup at Olympia Fields. I don't think it was an easier setup. It's a product of where you are. I think most would agree that Olympia Fields is not as difficult as Shinnecock or Pinehurst. It's a good golf course. But most everybody would agree the other two are harder golf courses."


Back to Oakmont

Miller's 63 remains one of the most impressive rounds in the game's history. Although the course had been softened by rain, it's not as if the entire field was having it easy. There were just 24 scores in the 60s during the tournament. Only three broke 70 on the final day.
Miller hit all 18 greens in regulation. His only bogey, at the eighth hole, came when he 3-putted, missing a 3-footer for par that still rankles him to this day. He missed just a single fairway.

And this is a venue that is often considered among the toughest in the country. They say the greens have to be slowed down for the Open. And early reports are that nobody is going to come close to shooting even par for the tournament this year.

If so, will Miller again be to blame?

"One of the great rounds of golf in the history of the Open was played by Johnny Miller," Tatum said. "He got a richly deserved 63. It certainly didn't upset me or the USGA. But I could understand how that general sense existed. A lot of players had a misunderstanding that we were trying to humiliate them. And that's light years from the basic fact."
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I think many on this board have said before...let the best in the world get tested...this ain't the Fed Ex St. Jude or whatever it is called now or whatever insert lower tier event where you can go out and shoot -18 or so...I mean Quail Hollow here in Charlotte is pretty tough and the winning scores of right around -10 to -12 or so on average are fine...

I say once or twice a year bring the pretentious bastards to their knees...make them shoot over par...fuck em...I want to see them cringe, cry, get flustered...god knows even the local muni plays like Oakmont to me sometimes!
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i totally agree. as i mention in another thread....i've been to three US Opens and it's great. I saw Charlie Howell the II airmail the bleachers i was sitting in out of a greenside bunker. make em play. the first day at Pinehurst #2 two years ago i followed the Goosen group for 18 holes and that guy played one of the most masterful rounds of ball-striking i've ever seen (or even imagine). it was ridiculous.

the crazy money these guys get paid and (while sometimes overdone by the USGA, admitted by my pops who is in the USGA)....what's wrong with protecting par a little? the situation at Shinnecock got out of hand when the winds came up and no water had been put on the course. it was a mistake, not on purpose--despite the "good storyline" in made in the idiotic sports media who started paying attention to golf about the time Eldrick won his second major.

also, i'll point out that no matter what Walter Driver says (and i've met Fred Ridley a few times).....if you see my "More about Oakmont" post...the members did not like Miller's 63. Nor do they like the way the "63" is plastered all over every Miller telecast since Els won there.

also, these are old fucking blueblood farts, but for the US Open to be at Oakmont they need the members to sign on. because it means a lot of bullshit, no play for extended periods of time, and the hoi polloi on their sacred ground.
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King Crimson wrote:because it means a lot of bullshit, no play for extended periods of time

Out of curiostity...Oakmont is an 18 hole club?

If so, that's gotta kind of suck for the members. The only place around here that's somewhat comparable would be Pumpkin, where they have Am Championships, and the Women's Open*. One of my friends plays there, but there's two sides, so it's not like the members do without while it's prepped for the tourney.


Losing your course you pay huge bucks for would kinda suck. Then again, I'm guessing Oakmont members can probably afford to find a different course for a few weeks.


* -- Nonrelated, really, but what the heck...So my buddy, who has some serious game, when he's not having knee surgery, or dealing with that pesky "work" thing, is a member at Pumpkin Ridge(he got some promo membership, which I think expires soon). After the Women's Open, they left the course set up just like it was for the Sunday, so the members could take a whirl. The Clinic(as I call him) shows up and drops a lower score than any of the women did on Sunday. Sick.
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King Crimson wrote:So my buddy, who has some serious game, when he's not having knee surgery, or dealing with that pesky "work" thing,
Oh, for a moment there I thought you were talking about me. Carry on.
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Oh, and back on topic -- Johnny Miller is, and always has been, a Grade A douche. Seems like Nick Faldo(my other homey) is slowly but surely rising to the top of the golf broadcasting food chain.
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And speaking of douchebags...


Rumor has it that there's actually one camera in the country that Mantits hasn't appeared in front of to make preemptive excuses for sucking. Rumor also has it that Phildo is hunting down that one camera, in an effort to rectify the situation.
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Dinsdale wrote:Oh, and back on topic -- Johnny Miller is, and always has been, a Grade A douche. Seems like Nick Faldo(my other homey) is slowly but surely rising to the top of the golf broadcasting food chain.
Miller must have told Ben Crane to hurry the fuck up.
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If anybody says one bad word to or about My Man Benny, it's ON.

You stepping up? I'll hitch a ride cross-country with Douchebag and Crew and give you a little whatfor.


That's right buddy, you read that correctly...I did just threaten you -- one more word, and you should be prepared to be beaten like Ken at a day care center.(We'll discuss booking a room at the Red Roof via PM.)


Matter of fact, there might be a new rule in the works for this forum(pending 3Putt's approval) -- you non-Beavertonians won't be allowed to type Mr. Crane's name. He will be referred to by you mortals as The Golf Diety.


If it took the Lord 6 days to build Heaven and Earth, you should feel blessed that The Golf Diety only takes 6 minutes to line up his shots, which are every bit the spiritual wonder that the creation of life, the universe, and everything was.
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Dinsdale wrote:Seems like Nick Faldo(my other homey) is slowly but surely rising to the top of the golf broadcasting food chain.
Rack Faldo. My favorite golfer. I was so upset when he and Ledbetter parted ways and then Nick became a scrub player, but he had one hell of a run in the late 80's.

He is an excellent broadcaster and I hope he gets more airtime in the next couple of years.
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I heard Ben Crane can only complete a round of golf in Alaska :rimshot
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RumpleForeskin wrote:I heard Ben Crane can only complete a round of golf in Alaska in June :rimshot
FTFY
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One of my bestest buddies learned to golf as a teen in Fairbanks. Said that was a pretty sweet gig...stay until the party's over, then grab the bag and sneak out after the greenskeeper went home, and be gone before about 5AM, when the emloyees showed up. Said he never paid for a round of golf until he moved back to Oregon.
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RumpleForeskin wrote:Rack Faldo

His mother is a neighbor of my parents. I think they knew her when Nick was but a little boy.


I kinda have some rooting interests in Crane and Faldo, on the very rare occasions he picks up the sticks anymore(I think he plans to play The Open next month...any bets he'll be back in the booth by Saturday morning?).
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Dinsdale wrote:any bets he'll be back in the booth by Saturday morning?).
I hope he has one good Open run left in him. It would be sweet to see him pull a Watson at the US Open in '03
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Faldo made a bunch of birdies on the back nine at St. Andrews 2 years ago when Monty said post facto "there weren't many birdies out there"...essplaining why he couldn't catch Eldrick.
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King Crimson wrote:Faldo made a bunch of birdies on the back nine at St. Andrews 2 years ago when Monty said post facto "there weren't many birdies out there"...essplaining why he couldn't catch Eldrick.
Faldo shot a 69 to Monty's 72. And that included a most improbable birdie/eagle finish on the 17th & 18th holes. As it was, had Monty equaled Faldo's score, he still would have finished two strokes back of Eldrick. Overall, only 11 out of 80 players were able to break 70 that day. I'd say Monty was spot on with his assessment of the course conditions.
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Monty's problem is he hits a low fade...which doesn't set up well on the inward nine at the Old Course....given the wind conditions that day. or most days off the sea.

what i say still stands. Faldo made birdies. Monty didn't.
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