Vanity Fair Article on Military's Response on 9-11

[mothster]

9-11-2001
8-22-2006

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

A datediff function returns a difference of 1807 days. Which is 1+8+0+7 = 16

1427, 1+4+2+7 = 14


2,1 =3 1,4 = 3 6,3 = 3


16-14 = 2


333 * 2 = 666

I'm worried. All my readings point to something big on the horizon.
Let's say this Twinkie



represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

that's a big twinkie

[socal]

Based on this morning's reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

[Dinsdale]

If you know your fleet is to be attacked, you put them somewhere you can defend them,

Yes, you put them out to sea where they can operate as they are intended to do rather than leave them in port where they become sitting ducks.

If you are attempting to suggest that the fleet was in a stronger defensive position in port, you are a fucking moron. Straight up.

OK, I'll take my lumps, since that didn't come out quite like I intended...because it's not like internet postings give us the chance to think things through and proofread, or anything.


The stretegic value in this situation is different, since the US government wasn't neccessarily provoking an attck, but they were kind of betting on one.

What better way to announce to the world "IT'S ON, BITCHES!!!!" than to tempt your enemy into bring a major force to one place(that was nearly impervious to naval attack), and letting the shooting begin?

My comments were based on situation, although I did not identify them as such, which is clearly my bad.


Either spreading the fleet out on the open sea, or congregating them on the open sea, would have made for a greater variety of attacks they were prone to, and there could have possibly been naval "suprises" in store for them. By placing them at PH, they were only prone to air attack, for the most part.


In my paltry defense -- bear in mind(last I heard anyway), that at any given time, generally 1/3rd of the US' nuke fleet is sitting in one place...a place that would be very difficult to attack.(And if Bremerton Washinton became its own country, only the remainder of the US and Russia would have more nukes).

[mothster]

plenty of nukes at nws concord too, or at least used to be

[Cuda]

The stretegic value in this situation is different, since the US government wasn't neccessarily provoking an attck, but they were kind of betting on one.

Trouble was, they were kind of betting on the attack going downm in the Phillipines or somewhere a little closer to Japan rather than where all the fucking eggs were basketed in Hawaii

[Dinsdale]

We weren't trying to goad Japan into a war, but we damn sure weren't going to simply roll over and let them run roughshod over Asia without having something to say about it. Our actions were reasoned responses to Japan's out of control aggressions.

LIAR!!!! LIAR!!!!!!


Sin,
88

[mothster]

i would seriously consider believing ike making a deal with the greys from zeti reticuli before buying any revisionist drivel about fdr baiting the japs at pearl harbor..........complete horseshit on so many levels including whats already been said in this thread (and i'm a poet and don't know it)

[Moving Sale]

"Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airliner hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident."

Sin,
W- December 4th, 2001

Too bad that was not shown on TV till the next day you lying sack of shit.

[Tom In VA]

We've done this shit all thru our history, just like every other nation. Don't be surprised by anything.

RACK

We lured the Euros here as well just so we could get in a war with them all, exploiting England all the while, until we got sick of them and then kicked their ass out, with help from the French. The French helped us out as well by being such total incompetents in WWI and WWII that we were then able to occupy much of Europe, still do.

Bode. Conspiracy theorists and 20/20 hindsight.

[Goober McTuber]

Well, RACK FDR and the original rope-a-dope. (Please note that I did not go for the cheap laugh with “rope-a-slope”).

[Tom In VA]

Well, RACK FDR and the original rope-a-dope. (Please note that I did not go for the cheap laugh with “rope-a-slope”).

~rimshot~

[Dinsdale]

The NORAD tapes show that the military had less than 9 minutes to scramble two jets (out of a total of four armed jets in the entire northeastern sector) and try to go find the hijacked airliner. At that time, the military had no idea where the hijacked airliner was, or that the hijackers were going to crash the airliner into a building. The pilots were simply going to try to find it, follow it, and presumably escort it to a landing field.

What else were they going to do?

[Cuda]

i would seriously consider believing ike making a deal with the greys from zeti reticuli before buying any revisionist drivel about fdr baiting the japs at pearl harbor..........complete horseshit on so many levels including whats already been said in this thread (and i'm a poet and don't know it)

No revisionist drivel involved. Many, many military people knew what was up at the time it happened.

I was told stories about this in the late '60s by a retired very high-ranking Navy dude. I thought he was full of shit at the time. Turns out everything he told me has been corroborated.

Maximum damage was what FDR wanted. That's why the fleet was left in such a defenseless position. Navy admirals protested to no avail about getting the ships outta the harbor.

Roosevelt didn't want a single American to have any doubt that we had to go to war with Japan.

We've done this shit all thru our history, just like every other nation. Don't be surprised by anything.

Of all the dumbshits who post here, you are, without a doubt, the most pitifully stupid fuck in the lot.

What, does TVO have his own, personal category?

[Moving Sale]

Sorry asshat, there is no conspiracy here...

So the 19 or so guys you say did this didn't conspire to pull it off? They just happened to think of the same plan spontaneously and without any input from each other?

You use the same logic when you came up with your "Black's are GP2V" take? How's the single digit IQ treating you gedKKKal?

[Dinsdale]

These people wouldn't know what the truth is if it walked in the room, body slammed them to the floor and took a long keg-party piss right between their eyes.

You mean like the "truth" that the US wasn't putting political, economic, and military pressure on Japan by 1940, giving them two options -- either haeding back to Japan, or attacking the US? Like the "truth" that the US wasn't aiding in embargos and blockades against Japan prior to PH?

That type of "truth?"

[Tom In VA]

Sorry asshat, there is no conspiracy here...

So the 19 or so guys you say did this didn't conspire to pull it off? They just happened to think of the same plan spontaneously and without any input from each other?

You use the same logic when you came up with your "Black's are GP2V" take? How's the single digit IQ treating you gedKKKal?

I wasn't talking to you or even about the 9/11 attack.

You may go now.

He wants you to acknowledge that "conspiracies" are in fact, a fact of life.

Once you do that, then he'll twist and distort facts in order to "prove" that Pearl Harbor was indeed a conspiracy of somebody other than the Japs.

[Dinsdale]

And for the record, I'm not inclined to buy into any "massive conspicarcy" theories about PH or 9/11, until I see a WHOLE BUNCH more compelling evidence.


The US knew that the Japs would eventually bring it somewhere. I don't believe they anticipated Japan bringing the noise right up the gut, attacking the fleet where a naval strike was all-but impossible.


I believe the US government was aware for a decade that AQ was going to escalate things, and I think the Bush administration dropped the ball big time, where their predecessors didn't. But I certainly don't believe anyone who is in any way associated with the federal government, past or present(unless you count former CIA lackey OBL), was in any way complicit in the attack.


Sheesh...if you're going to brew up a conspiracy, you're going to have to do better than that.


Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

[Moving Sale]

And, when faced with unassailable proof that their beliefs are not well-founded, they simply shift gears and start bleating another ridiculous theory.

What proof? What theory have *I* shifted to? Couldn't it be said of YOU, that YOU have been shown proof that you are full of shit and have now shifted gears to this ridiculous strawman?

These people wouldn't know what the truth is if it walked in the room, body slammed them to the floor and took a long keg-party piss right between their eyes. They are lost forever. Like stupid fish with a hook hanging out of their grill mounted on a wall. They can no longer think, and they left their dignity and credibility in the pond. They stand for nothing except the degree of stupidity to which it is possible to push a human being. Push their button and you either get "Don't worry, be happy" or "Bush lied, people died."

Another Fallacious argument. Some critical thinker you are.

One would think that in view of the thousands of ridiculous conspiracy theories that have been totally debunked in recent years, the popularity of conspiracy theories would wane.

Most all CTs are independent of the other. It is a Fallacy to say that one is less likely because another has been debunked.

Most likely because the people who pimp them care less about the truth of what they are saying and more about the ideological implications the conspiracies suggest.

And your theory that it was 19 foreigners doesn’t appeal to you because you love the way Bush’s cock feels in your ass?

They cannot fathom the idea that a majority of people think their ideas are stupid.

58% is hardly a ringing endorsement for your side.

Logic and critical thought is being defeated.

By you, right here in this thread. Props moron.

[Moving Sale]

I wasn't talking ... about the 9/11 attack.

In a thread about 911, in a sentence where you said 'here or in PH,' you were not talking about 911.

Got it.

Carry on you racist fuck.

[Dinsdale]

And what else would you have had the US do? I suppose it would have been better to call the League of Nations and ask for some observers than it would have been to impose a trade embargo.

How did the United States provoke Japan to attack the United States? Why would the United States want that to happen? FDR was a war-monger itching for a fight?

Zero-to-one-hundred-and-eighty in two pages.

Nice work. Very impressive performance figures...for a car. For a guy claiming to spout "the truth"(where have we heard THAT before?)...


those figures...not so good.

[Moving Sale]

"[C]onspiracies" are in fact, a fact of life.

Gee ya think?

Once you do that, then he'll twist and distort facts in order to "prove" that Pearl Harbor was indeed a conspiracy of somebody other than the Japs.

Why would I do that? I couldn't care less if it is true or not. You might want to learn how to read at some point if you are going to keep posting on the internets.

[mothster]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

^^^^^^^rackable

'cept cnn would say cheney shotgunned the puppies

[Tom In VA]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

And Churchill stood on the roof of the Air Ministry shouting at German bombers, unabashed, unafraid, and bold.


He knew they were headed for Coventry.

[Tom In VA]

Why would I do that?

Because that's what you've always done.

[Moving Sale]

Tom,
Oh yea. Guess you are right. This must be the exception that proves the rule then eh?

[Moving Sale]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

While this appears to be a good take, a little thinking will show that it is not that great. Either Bush knew or he didn't. If he did it matters little what his involvement was and if he didn't it matters little what he did or didn't do to stop it (negligence has no 'intent' element to it.) CNN and FOX could be a whisper away from each other in terms of Bush's culpability and if one is on one side and the other is on the other, that is all that matters. It is not a case of degree.

Nice try though tard.

[Dinsdale]

While this appears to be a good take, a little thinking will show that it is not that great.

It was actually kind of a play on the current left vs. right polarization, which has even filtered down to each side accusing certain media outlets of actually being complicit in some far-fetched conspiracies.

Dumbfuck.

[Dinsdale]

And Dins-

The 180° turn you claim to have discovered is actually an unbroken line. My take has been that any one who believes FDR conspired with anyone to get the Japanese to sink most of the Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor is a raving lunatic. Now, the fact that I do not believe for a second that FDR did that (and I'm no FDR fan), does not mean that I do not believe that FDR wouldn't have minded much if Japan had made an overt act of war, such as threatening or attacking something of military significance closer to Japan, which they did.

Now you're just lying.

You implied (and all-but stated) that the US in no way, shape, or form incited an attack against US interests. I belive "why would they do that?" were your words.

Now, you agree that the US did just that, only after being called out for it, by numerous people, of course.

That's what people with an IQ greater than their shoe size call a "180."

[Moving Sale]

... the position that any person with an IQ greater than their shoe size would also come to upon reviewing the evidence.

Why? That is called begging the question and it is a fallacy and you know it.

Can you form a take that does NOT contain a fallacy?

But that isn't what we're talking about, and you know it.

You have a theory of what happened and you back it with a story that you admit is a conspiracy. How is that not a conspiracy theory? I don't care what you THINK those words mean or what you think other people think those words mean. It is a theory that involves a conspiracy, hence it is a conspiracy theory Period.

The conspiracy that you and the other mensa's in the 5' and under league have been touting is that Bush and Cheney and his cabal ['sup LTS TRN 2?] knew about the upcoming attack and orchestrated it into a "new Pearl Harbor" so that it would justify their zionist warmongering goals.

Zionist? I have never said anything about Zionism in relation to 911. Never. ANOTHER fallacy by you. Putting words in my mouth.
I never said Bush did it either. All I EVER said was that the story they tell makes no sense. Not the spools. Not tower 7. Not the magic plane. Not pancake theory. Not the punchout hole. Not the size of the hole at the pentagon. Not the timing of the fighters scrambling. Almost none of it.

Do I think it is all too convenient in light of the past 5 years and the quote you pulled from the PNAC doc? Sure, but that is a whole other story. Stay focused is right?

You know, the one that is completely devoid of any evidence whatsoever.

There is plenty of evidence that your Conspiracy Theory is false. I have a reasonable doubt as to it’s validity. WTF is so terrible about that?

[Moving Sale]

Dumbfuck.

You think FDR sunk the USS AZ in a kamikaze attack and then was cloned later that day with time left to rally the troops and I'M the dumbfuck?

[Dinsdale]

Dumbfuck.

You think FDR sunk the USS AZ in a kamikaze attack and then was cloned later that day with time left to rally the troops and I'M the dumbfuck?

Don't be a dumbfuck.

Karl Rove sank numerous US battleships thoughout the lead-up to WW2. He was then reincarnated as JFK, who through masterful use of disguises, actually assassinated himself. He then used his master-of-disguise skills to once again make himself look like Karl Rove, so he could then fly a couple of planes into some buildings.

You don't EVEN want to know what the motherfucker has in store for Chuck Norris.


Jeez...work on your reading comprehension, dumbfuck. I couldn't have stated that any more clearly earlier in this thread.

[Moving Sale]

You have reasonable doubts that a group of Islamic terrorists funded and trained by OBL hijacked four commercial airliners on the morning of September 11, 2001 and intentionally crashed those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

WTC? Maybe. Did 77 hit the pentagon? I have RD that it did.

You are not supporting any other conspiracy theory. Your sole contention is that the "official" account of the September 11, 2001 attack is not true.

This sounds like a trap, but I'll play anyways*. Yes. The official account is wack.

But again, I do find it awfully convenient (in light of the last 5 years and the quote you pulled from the PNAC doc.)

*If I was on the stand I would be forced to answer so why try and screw you out of an answer with backpedaling or doublespeak? Hope you afford me the same courtesy.

[Moving Sale]

... Chuck Norris.

CN used to own a bar I worked in and I can tell you your little FDR/JKF/KR clone will get his ass handed to him on a platter if he fucks with my man Chuck who is really just a White clone of Jack Johnson who we all know was cloned from a dirty (that’s why he came out Black) communal jo rag found in a 12th Century shaolin monastery by the guy that Indian Jones was modeled after.

Did you flunk out of the same HS as mvsKKKal or what?

Jeez!

[Moving Sale]

... but you believe that the official version of the attack, which credits Islamic terrorists with using a hijacked plane to hit the Pentagon, is "wack", to use your vernacular.

Wacky Wacky, to bastardize a common phrase used here on T1B.

WTC shit is suspicious too, (WTC 7, Pancake theory, etc.) but let's stick with the pentagon.

Yes, I have RD that 77 hit the pentagon.

[Dinsdale]

Chuck Norris is tough, no doubt. Hell, the only reason mankind discovered fire and invented the wheel was because Chuck Norris threatened to roundhouse kick some serious fucking caveman ass if they didn't.


But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

There's no way in hell that Chuck Norris could EVEN think about hanging in either a roundhouse-kicking, nor a ninja-star-throwing contest with Karl Rove.

Not a fucking chance.

Dumbfuck.


Everyone knows this.

[Moving Sale]

CN used to own a bar I worked in...

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

He only ever kicked me in the ass. What does that do to your theory?
Oooops. Wait. Oh hey. Nevermind. :?

[Dinsdale]

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

Get your ninja-terminolgy straight, dude...


In karate, they refer to that as a "low-kick."

[Van]

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

Get your ninja-terminolgy straight, dude...


In karate, they refer to that as a "low-kick."

Seriously uncalled for...

:blinked, read it again, then laughed:

[Moorese]

Read the Rape of Nanking.

Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for WASTING MY MOTHERFUCKING TIME! I read this FUCKING book, all excited to "sperm" to some skank Nanking's adventures with forced entry.



Nanking is a FUCKING PLACE.

I really appreciate the recommendation, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

And the pictures SUCKED too.

[Sirfindafold]

Billy Jack would kick Chuck Norris' ass.