What will happen to Cali in the next few years?

[Kierland]

So triggered I’m not only on ignore but you get retriggered just by someone quoting me. Running to bugaha and .pedo and using ignore didn’t keep you in your safe space. That’s funny as fuck.

Soros is a capitalist. It’s like literally how he got all his money.
You are dumber than the tumbleweeds that roll down your street.

[smackaholic]

So triggered I’m not only on ignore but you get retriggered just by someone quoting me. Running to bugaha and .pedo and using ignore didn’t keep you in your safe space. That’s funny as fuck.

Soros is a capitalist. It’s like literally how he got all his money.
You are dumber than the tumbleweeds that roll down your street.

Soros has used capitalism, as have you, apparently. But both of you want a utopian society run by the "smart people".

[Kierland]

That last part is a straw man. You made it up.
And he made his money as a capitalist so he is not a socialist. And I’m not an oligarch so two swings two misses.
And why did you retrigger mvskkkal by quoting me?

[Screw_Michigan]

That last part is a straw man. You made it up.
And he made his money as a capitalist so he is not a socialist. And I’m not an oligarch so two swings two misses.
And why did you retrigger mvskkkal by quoting me?

[Mikey]

So triggered I’m not only on ignore but you get retriggered just by someone quoting me. Running to bugaha and .pedo and using ignore didn’t keep you in your safe space. That’s funny as fuck.

Soros is a capitalist. It’s like literally how he got all his money.
You are dumber than the tumbleweeds that roll down your street.

Soros has used capitalism, as have you, apparently. But both of you want a utopian society run by the "smart people".

On the other hand, you want a failed society run by idiots.

[smackaholic]

That last part is a straw man. You made it up.
And he made his money as a capitalist so he is not a socialist. And I’m not an oligarch so two swings two misses.
And why did you retrigger mvskkkal by quoting me?

Straw man my ass.

I am merely pointing out why socialism fails every fukking time it's tried.

I wish it wasn't the case, but it is.

In a perfect world where everyone pulled for the common good, a socialist system might stand a chance.

We don't live in that world. We live in a world where people act in what they perceive to be their best interest. And sometimes, make that every time, the guy who claws his way to the top of the system is a ruthless asshole.

[smackaholic]

So triggered I’m not only on ignore but you get retriggered just by someone quoting me. Running to bugaha and .pedo and using ignore didn’t keep you in your safe space. That’s funny as fuck.

Soros is a capitalist. It’s like literally how he got all his money.
You are dumber than the tumbleweeds that roll down your street.

Soros has used capitalism, as have you, apparently. But both of you want a utopian society run by the "smart people".

On the other hand, you want a failed society run by idiots.

No.

Societies shouldn't be "run" by anyone. People should be free to live their lives so long as they don't harm others or be forced to take care of others outside their children.

It really is a fairly simple concept.

Where government is needed to administer a service, I prefer it be done at the lowest level practicable. Believe it or not, I am actually for more of a government role in the administering of the healthcare system. I just don't want it done by the feds. I'd be OK with a state single payer system with private options.

The feds should handle the military, diplomatic relations and not a whole fukking lot more. They should even farm out mail delivery to private companies that do it better.

Have you ever worked closely at all with any level of government? They suck at doing most everything. At least with local/state government, you have the ability, when all else fails, to move. This breeds some level of accountability. Fed agencies have no such pressure.

[smackaholic]

On the other hand, you want a failed society run by idiots.

Are you implying that our current election system gives us something other than idiots?

Why is it that liberals have some sort of religious faith in governmental systems?

They suck. The bigger they are, the harder they suck.

Once again, I wish it was otherwise. I wish there was some means of putting people in charge who had the right motivations and competence.

But history says we don't.

So how about we have a system where everyone has to play by the same set of rules. And the rules are such that it doesn't matter much who is in charge because that person doesn't have the power to give a particular party an advantage.

[Kierland]

That last part is a straw man. You made it up.
And he made his money as a capitalist so he is not a socialist. And I’m not an oligarch so two swings two misses.
And why did you retrigger mvskkkal by quoting me?

Straw man my ass.

I am merely pointing out why socialism fails every fukking time it's tried.

I wish it wasn't the case, but it is.

In a perfect world where everyone pulled for the common good, a socialist system might stand a chance.

We don't live in that world. We live in a world where people act in what they perceive to be their best interest. And sometimes, make that every time, the guy who claws his way to the top of the system is a ruthless asshole.

You say that because you have no idea what a Strawman is. You incorrectly defined socialism to make it where you (thought) there was no possible reply. That is the definition of a Strawman.
YOU say it’s failed every time it’s been tried. Another Strawman. You have no idea what logic even is. You are a fallacy machine.
There is enough food and shelter nowadays to feed everyone so even if your premise was true at one point it isn’t now. And if you want to credit Capitalism for that go ahead.
We should ALL be sitting pretty right now instead of a few thousand people hoarding shit they don’t need. Like a second house in Beaver Creek, which I’m actually looking at right now.

[Kierland]

On the other hand, you want a failed society run by idiots.

Are you implying that our current election system gives us something other than idiots?

Why is it that liberals have some sort of religious faith in governmental systems?

They suck. The bigger they are, the harder they suck.

Once again, I wish it was otherwise. I wish there was some means of putting people in charge who had the right motivations and competence.

But history says we don't.

So how about we have a system where everyone has to play by the same set of rules. And the rules are such that it doesn't matter much who is in charge because that person doesn't have the power to give a particular party an advantage.

Says the guy who literally credits working for the biggest most damaging government entity on earth, ever, with helping him get past his childhood fuckups. You are the most myopic fuckstone to ever waste oxygen.

[LTS TRN 2]

Notice of course that Squirm Worm can't cite a SINGLE example of a Socialist government being successful at all. The Nordic examples are flawed because of the homogeneous population (i.e., no joqqers)--and as the joqqers have arrived and become ensconced we see the thoses systems buckling. The large nations that have adapted Socialism--Russia, China, Cuba, N Korea--have resulted in horrific barbarism--as well as wretched poverty.

But of course the spouting of Leftist jargon goes on like a flapping unattended firehose. :o

[Kierland]

Yes we know you’re a racist. You don’t have to provide more evidence in every post.

[LTS TRN 2]

Again just spurts of meaningless bile. But where are those examples of sucessful Socialist governments or socieities?

[Kierland]

Oh you mean all the ones you already said you wouldn’t accept as answers? Name one socialist country capitalism didn’t work to crush.

[LTS TRN 2]

Of course no one could accept the Socialist models of Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, or N Korea as successful examples of anything--except monstrous tyranny and cruelty. Do you? We notice you offer NOTHING as an example of anywhere where it's worked.

[Kierland]

Answer the question

[LTS TRN 2]

Fuck off, Squirm Worm is the one parroting radical jargon. And of course it can't back up anything. The idea that the nations of the world should accept and abide Socialist totalitarian monstrosities is a real non-starter.

[Kierland]

You said my answers weren’t allowed, that’s on you.
Now answer the question.

[smackaholic]

On the other hand, you want a failed society run by idiots.

Are you implying that our current election system gives us something other than idiots?

Why is it that liberals have some sort of religious faith in governmental systems?

They suck. The bigger they are, the harder they suck.

Once again, I wish it was otherwise. I wish there was some means of putting people in charge who had the right motivations and competence.

But history says we don't.

So how about we have a system where everyone has to play by the same set of rules. And the rules are such that it doesn't matter much who is in charge because that person doesn't have the power to give a particular party an advantage.

Says the guy who literally credits working for the biggest most damaging government entity on earth, ever, with helping him get past his childhood fuckups. You are the most myopic fuckstone to ever waste oxygen.

My “childhood fuckup” was not choosing parents/grandparents that would hook me up with a trust fund.

My pissing away an opportunity at college is 100% on me.

And yes, I was part of that organization that killed brown folks by the gross. All because they were brown, I guess.

They also liberated a fair number of folks with varying pigmentation and kept plenty others from ending up under the boot of people that think like you.

All in all, I’m kinda proud of that track record.

And the point I’m attempting to make here is that yes, I’ve seen the sausage made, up close and personal. I still do on a daily basis in my interactions with TSA.

I will say it again. If I was king of America, I’d prolly fire me.

I’d send airport security back to the local airport level.

I’d also arm pilots to the teeth.

Oh, and that “service animal”…..fukkers going in a crate under the plane.

Anyhoo, I gotta get back to fixing this cat scan at the airport. Have a nice evening. And go fukk yourself.


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[Kierland]

“My “childhood fuckup” was not choosing parents/grandparents that would hook me up with a trust fund.

My pissing away an opportunity at college is 100% on me.”
This is called cognitive dissonance. Your childhood fuckup was pissing away an Education. And it shows.
Name one place the military ever helped after you were born.

The rest is just Dumpian word salad about TSA.

[LTS TRN 2]

You said my answers weren’t allowed, that’s on you.
Now answer the question.

Squirm Worm offered no answers at all. And its mentioning of China, Russia, etc., did not in any way suggest that it regarded those catastrophes as examples of viable, let alone successful Socialist models.

[Kierland]

Go back and read what you said you stupid racist fuck.

[LTS TRN 2]

I've clearly said what every sensible person has observed--that no Socialist government has ever been successful--and on the contrary they've mostly been horrific and monstrous. Or is Squirm Worm cool with Fidel? How Che? Ho Chi Minh?

[Screw_Michigan]

[smackaholic]

I've clearly said what every sensible person has observed--that no Socialist government has ever been successful--and on the contrary they've mostly been horrific and monstrous. Or is Squirm Worm cool with Fidel? How Che? Ho Chi Minh?

Gotta love their excuse.

Well, it woulda worked, if those meddling capitalist bastards didn't sabotage it.

This argument would hold a little water if the vast majority of the world was in on the sabotage. But after WWII, the Commies had a sizable majority of the Eurasian land mass. They had vast natural resources and over a billion people. They could have been successful without us.

But they weren't.

When W Germany was churning out S Class Benzes their cousins on the other side of the wire were building Trabants. Same people, same language. Why such different levels of success?

Need another example? Look at the Korean Peninsula.

Are the NoKos in the situation they are because we sabotage them?

They have the advantage of being geographically attached to a large supporter.

Their cousins down south have no such advantage, yet they are a worldwide economic power.

If this isn't proof that top down political and economic control doesn't work, I don't know what is.

[smackaholic]

I got nothing....

[Kierland]

I've clearly said what every sensible person has observed--that no Socialist government has ever been successful--and on the contrary they've mostly been horrific and monstrous. Or is Squirm Worm cool with Fidel? How Che? Ho Chi Minh?

Yes you said you wouldn’t accept any answers, because there are not enough white people in Norway any more. That’s what I said.
No answer my question.

[smackaholic]

But I’m a human being so greed it’s my motivation.

And here in lies the underlying problem.

This simpleton does not understand human nature.

Of course you are motivated by self interest, aka "greed". You're just too stupid/dishonest to admit it.

[Kierland]

I got nothing....

How ironic. All you do is lie and drop strawmen. There are plenty of socialist places that were working just fine till the capitalist greed kicked in and ran them into the ground. But you won’t look at history except thru your stupid filter and I can’t change that. I can’t teach you how to not be stupid. You mix commies and socialists. You ignore working socialism. You ignore all the slavery capitalism needs and all the failed capitalist states. If something doesn’t fit your narrative it doesn’t exist. You drive on socialist roads and think capitalism built them, you cash your socialist checks and call them hard work on your part or earned. You can’t explain how the game monopoly works so you will just ignore that argument. You will bag on the homeless in Cali and not even come close to making the connection to capitalism, cause that’s just the libs fault or the homeless dudes fault. I can’t make you smart or compassionate or any of the things that make a Homo sapien a human. You like greed. You like sin. I can’t fix that.

[Kierland]

But I’m a human being so greed it’s my motivation.

And here in lies the underlying problem.

This simpleton does not understand human nature.

Of course you are motivated by self interest, aka "greed". You're just too stupid/dishonest to admit it.

Self interest and greed are different, but you’re too stupid to know that. Self interest is making sure you have dinner. Greed is having 100 billion dinners and not caring that some people have none. Is so exhausting arguing with stupid people.

[smackaholic]

I've clearly said what every sensible person has observed--that no Socialist government has ever been successful--and on the contrary they've mostly been horrific and monstrous. Or is Squirm Worm cool with Fidel? How Che? Ho Chi Minh?

Yes you said you wouldn’t accept any answers, because there are not enough white people in Norway any more. That’s what I said.
No answer my question.

The Swedes wandered in the direction of real socialism in the 60-70s. Their economy went in the toilet and they pulled back.

They do still have very generous social benefit systems in place, but their adherence to capitalism writes the checks.

And like it or not, having a population that on average, doesn't tan well, figures into it.

Am I a racist for acknowledging this fact which is incontrovertible if you simply look at the data?

Maybe.

But if failing to notice that water is wet makes one a racist, oh well.

What we ought to be doing is acknowledge certain things and attempt to come up with strategies to improve the situation rather than scream "white man bad".

[Kierland]

No you are a racist cause you ONLY look at their skin. You specifically DON’T look at the data. Their gains are cause they are white and that is the end of the story for you. You have never read Guns, Germs and Steel or any book like it. Cause you don’t read books.
Cuba is a hellhole to you because of socialism. You would never listen to someone who has been there, think me. You think the embargo is nothing and that our meddling has no effect. Then why have the embargo in the first place.
You refuse to look at the many pre industrial socialist societies that worked well outside of Europe. You ignore the millions of slaves in the USA right now today. You ignore the Offical in AZ who said they would collapse if they stopped forcing prisoners to work. You ignore greed and call it good. You ignore the very progress you attribute to capitalism as it relates to just how much food and shelter is wasted everyday that if evenly distributed would feed and house the world. You have the capitalist playbook you learned in the 50’s(?) and you are going to die thinking it applies to 2022. You are intellectually uncurious and dishonest. In other words you suck horse cock.

[smackaholic]

As for Bernie's favorite country, Nawwwway, let's take a look at them a little closely.

They are a tiny country. New York City has more people. Hell, Brooklyn and Queens together have about the same population as the entire country.

They are still extremely pasty Norwegian, ethnically speaking.

They have a shit load of natural resources including oil. The Saudis buy goldplated Maybachs with their oil wealth. Those frugal Norwegians fund healfcare and edumacashun. It's a cultural thing.

As I've maintained all along. Any government system works better when it is done on a small scale. It also seems to help when that small group tan about as well as Dracula.

But, despite their generous benefit system, they are quite capitalist. They are honest and intelligent enough to understand that making the rich "pay their fare share" is a recipe to drive the rich elsewhere or maybe just have them sit on ass. They have high tax rates where the money is.....the lower/middle classes as well as a fairly high rate for the rich. Sadly, this approach wouldn't fly here as too many people have swallowed Bernie's commie tripe.

This kind of system, I'm afraid, only works in small, industrious, usually white societies. The Japs do OK as well, but they have the problem of too damn many people in too small an area.

[Kierland]

Thanks for ignoring my post. Says a lot about you. But you keep saying white white white and expect other people to take you seriously.

[smackaholic]

No you are a racist cause you ONLY look at their skin. You specifically DON’T look at the data. Their gains are cause they are white and that is the end of the story for you. You have never read Guns, Germs and Steel or any book like it. Cause you don’t read books.
Cuba is a hellhole to you because of socialism. You would never listen to someone who has been there, think me. You think the embargo is nothing and that our meddling has no effect. Then why have the embargo in the first place.
You refuse to look at the many pre industrial socialist societies that worked well outside of Europe. You ignore the millions of slaves in the USA right now today. You ignore the Offical in AZ who said they would collapse if they stopped forcing prisoners to work. You ignore greed and call it good. You ignore the very progress you attribute to capitalism as it relates to just how much food and shelter is wasted everyday that if evenly distributed would feed and house the world. You have the capitalist playbook you learned in the 50’s(?) and you are going to die thinking it applies to 2022. You are intellectually uncurious and dishonest. In other words you suck horse cock.

Care to site examples of "pre industrial socialist societies"?

How large were said societies?

A few thousand people, all closely related, tops.

Any societies that grew larger, became totalitarian. It's the only way to get such numbers to play nice, because, as I have said a few million times, humans have a habit of not wanting to be told what to do. It's a character flaw of the breed.

Also, these societies scraped by just to keep from starving, as was the case with every preindustrial society......even the really, really white ones. A possible exception to this would be some small groups in tropical places with plentiful food supplies year round. But they had other issues.

The fact is that people in even the most advanced societies did well to barely keep from starving up until about 1890 or so. Then we started burning all that fukking carbon and got rich.

[smackaholic]

White white white.

[Kierland]

The ones that worked don’t count. Totalitarian means things I don’t like. Being happy and healthy is scrapping by. I think people getting together to decide their fate is them being told what to do. I won’t address capitalisms’ slavery problem ever. Brown people in the tropics don’t count and I will ignore that we have just as much food now as they did. Nor will I discuss why I didn’t read GG&S, or any book for that matter. Nor will I discuss the effects of the embargo because I know nothing about it. Oh and white white white. I’m obsessed with race.

Sin,
Dumbaholic

[LTS TRN 2]

No need. The simple fact stands unrefuted--there has never been a successful Socialist government. If anyone--or anything--disagrees, let's see an example. :wink:

[LTS TRN 2]

I've clearly said what every sensible person has observed--that no Socialist government has ever been successful--and on the contrary they've mostly been horrific and monstrous. Or is Squirm Worm cool with Fidel? How Che? Ho Chi Minh?

Yes you said you wouldn’t accept any answers, because there are not enough white people in Norway any more. That’s what I said.
No answer my question.

No, I simply pointed out that the seemingly sucessful attempts at a quasi-Socialist government in Nordic lands such as Sweden have been undermined and rendered unto chaos by the infusion of hundreds of thousands of joqqers--who seek to breed like rabbits. Do you suppose Sweden's third largest city, Malmo, was always a "no-go" region for non-Muslims? How long do you suppose it's been?

And moreover, we see Squirm Worm finally spill his slimy guts and confess he's a total red. The book in question, Guns, Steel, and Germs, is the typical hooknosed Bolshevik bile in concert with the likes of Howard Zinn. It's basically a mashup of Mao and Nat Turner. How fucking disgusting.

[Kierland]

We get it. You’re a racist. You can’t talk about economics or Europe or Sports or music or where you live or movies without bringing it back to blacks and Jewish and whatnot.