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by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:06 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Alcohol - personal choice, environment, or genetics?
Replies: 27
Views: 1428

Dinsdale wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:and fuck when we choose
Your OL have a sister?
Actually, she does, :wink: Cute too. In fact she's in the D&L as we speak.


:lol: Picturing Dins as my brother in law.
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:00 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Alcohol - personal choice, environment, or genetics?
Replies: 27
Views: 1428

Things such as DUI, Drunk In Public, fights, marital problems , job problems, physical problems, etc... etc... That's why in the literature I've read on the subject there are varying degrees of "bottoms". SWEET! I'm not married. I guess I haven't hit bottom yet. Bottoms up! Almost noon he...
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:59 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Alcohol - personal choice, environment, or genetics?
Replies: 27
Views: 1428

Buschice, I cannot disagree with anything you stated. But I don't necessarily understand the point you're trying to make. As for my use of the word "indulgence" it was not intended to allude to those paid to the church to excuse sin. The point I was trying to make is that of all the animal...
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:49 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Alcohol - personal choice, environment, or genetics?
Replies: 27
Views: 1428

FROM http://theoneboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5590&start=0 No, the alcoholics biggest problem is that he/she thinks he/she can drink normally while their body progressively tells them they cannot. Just curious here, Tom. What do you consider "normal" drinking? I don't consider anyo...
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:40 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Homosexuality, personal choice or genetics?
Replies: 56
Views: 4325

I'll answer in the new thread WW.
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:29 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Homosexuality, personal choice or genetics?
Replies: 56
Views: 4325

I'd have to say while it's not a proven fact, I do believe that there are genetic tendencies towards homosexuality. And on what experience / fact / reasoning are you basing this assumption? It's not really an assumption, it's more of a belief and an opinion. I base it on the fact, I don't know why ...
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:00 am
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Alcohol - personal choice, environment, or genetics?
Replies: 27
Views: 1428

Left Seater wrote:I agree that it is a disease, but it is as much if not more a mental disease than a genetic one.
You would be correct in that assessment. The genetic part doesn't come into play until the first drink is consumed.
by Tom In VA
Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:48 am
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Homosexuality, personal choice or genetics?
Replies: 56
Views: 4325

I'd have to say while it's not a proven fact, I do believe that there are genetic tendencies towards homosexuality. The comparison to alcoholism is a neat one as well. This "enzyme". :lol: Usually, this "enzyme" doesn't present a problem until the person that was alcoholic before...
by Tom In VA
Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:11 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: No Suprise Here......
Replies: 120
Views: 6231

My previous boss, grew up in the inner city of B'More. Coming home from school, it wasn't uncommon she'd have to walk by or over a dead addict that od'd. Mom, worked two or three jobs to make due and feed the family of several children. My boss, just purchased a million dollar home on an island in t...
by Tom In VA
Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:16 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: No Suprise Here......
Replies: 120
Views: 6231

Nothing funnier than watching a bunch of guys who wouldn't be allowed in the same room with anybody from the Forbes 400 try so desperately to suck up to them. Check out this interesting stat. The U.S. economy's recovery may be a little shaky, but you wouldn't know it from looking at this year's For...
by Tom In VA
Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:32 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: No Suprise Here......
Replies: 120
Views: 6231

As long as there are human beings here on earth, there will be humans that have more than other humans. What's your point ? There will never be such a thing as complete economic equality, as a birthright. Do we still have a class system ? Yes. But how many of these "hyper-rich" are agressi...
by Tom In VA
Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:53 am
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

Oh for Christ sake, it a whole other topic but spare me the lazy crap -it's a fundimental human right to control your own destiny and your own means of production rather than increase profit for parasites!! Who do you think the workers are!!?? It's people like you and me! And you'd cut your own thr...
by Tom In VA
Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:39 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

And don't give me this 'geeMomapplepieRobertYoungwe'rejustlovableYanks' crap - (hey Tom!). We can pull up loads of atrocity stories from Viet Nam if you want. You have trouble reading don't you ? Should thse allegations prove true, they represent the consequences of waging a Jihad using women and c...
by Tom In VA
Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:09 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

I'm curious to find out if Phibes information is somewhat accurate. The only problem is, I'm pretty sure anything I read is full of shit. Unfortunately, as I read the allegations, I'm left with one conclusion. Should thse allegations prove true, they represent the consequences of waging a Jihad usin...
by Tom In VA
Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:14 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

Oh I misinterpreted your statement. Well I'm sure "tit for tat" motivated some of that.
by Tom In VA
Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:52 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

Night Raids by the Brits, Day raids by the U.S., countless lives lost on all sides due to the bombing. It wasn't necessary ? I'd like to learn more from you guys about why it wasn't necessary. I suppose the only reason it was done was revenge for London, Coventry, etc.. etc... :roll: But please, sha...
by Tom In VA
Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:19 pm
Forum: Cul de Smack
Topic: Legitimate, reasonable criticism of the War on Terror
Replies: 46
Views: 3582

Our dilemma is that we have not sought to defeat and humiliate the enemy I think we have indeed tried to wage that kind of war. America isn't equipped to wage a holy war. Perhaps that will become necessary...perhaps it's necessary right now. Interesting point. I've heard discussions along this line...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 9:13 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

RACK mvscal. That was much more concise and eloquently put than I'm capable of.


Same with 88.



RACK Fester(M*A*S*H resets) and Cuda for the comic relief.
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 8:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Oh put a sock in it will ya Frank ?

--- Lt. Col. Henry Blake


UNWAR the suspense for the climactic arrival of "Blood and Guts Burns" and the "Yankee Doodle Doctor".
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 8:11 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Not a "cover-up." Just a delay in notifying the family. Maybe even a misguided hope that no one would ask or care. The army got its showy funeral with medals and heroic speeches. I do not conclude that they were attempting to exploit Tillman's death for political gain. Well that's all wel...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 7:45 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Thanks Fester. So I conclude from that, the following. Rather than add insult to injury so to speak, at the time of the memorials and celebrations of Tillman's life or "dash", and sully the moment ... the Army chose to wait to inform the family of the exact nature of his death. I do not co...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 7:20 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Stop it Cuda. We need to keep this thread alive until Fester comes in with a "Blood and Guts Burns" reset, to finally culminate into a "Yankee Doodle Doctor" finale.

:lol:
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 7:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Quite frankly, my intention here is to highlight the fact that until you lead a fire team in a combat situation and understand the full scope of a fire fight and what it takes to coordinate fire, ...... I'll find your conclusions nothing but speculative and uninformed conjecture at best. 'Cuz you k...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 6:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

The documents also show that officers made erroneous initial reports that Tillman was killed by enemy fire, destroyed critical evidence and initially concealed the truth from his brother, also an Army Ranger, who was near the attack on April 22, 2004, but did not witness it. http://sfgate.com/cgi-b...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 6:34 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Pat Tillman was an inspiration to all those brave young freckle-faced lads who want to sign up to do their duty and defeat the Islamic Horde. If Uncle Sam says he died in battle from enemy fire then it's good enough for me. Gee willikers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/MeChain/burns.jpg You...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 6:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

If it was in fact and outright LIE, rather than embellishment prior to finding and analyizing the facts You're kidding, right? You're calling it "embellishment"? Thanks, Tom. Now you've made it abundantly clear what your intentions are. Quite frankly, my intention here is to highlight the...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 6:03 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

If it was in fact and outright LIE, rather than embellishment prior to finding and analyizing the facts, I reckon it was for the sole purpose of getting inside your "dome" and have 'bode over you. :lol: :lol: :lol: Either that or the simple reason of "The guys over at T1B will have a ...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 5:42 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Pat Tillman dies for cheaper oil? That's why you're not in charge or equipped to assess the performance of those that are. Nigga, please. If Pat died for oil, just say so. Then, our leaders should say so in public. Maybe our beloved American public is also not equipped to face reality. With that in...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 5:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Detroit, mvscal The point is, Bush sends troops to protect the United State's best interests. WE benefit from those best interests. Tillman, and all the other troops in all the other wars, were there on the behalf of this nation. WE are this nation. We wouldn't be having this discussion because Til...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 5:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Detroit, mvscal The point is, Bush sends troops to protect the United State's best interests. WE benefit from those best interests. Tillman, and all the other troops in all the other wars, were there on the behalf of this nation. WE are this nation. We wouldn't be having this discussion because Till...
by Tom In VA
Fri May 27, 2005 3:45 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

BSmack, what's your point? That Bush is responsible for the conduct and results being reported of an internal Army investigation? Just like he's responsible for a few dickheads humiliating prisoners at Abu Ghraib?? Is Bush still Commander in Chief? Or did he delegate that power to Cheney? I see, Bu...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 5:55 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Well, perhaps you're sufficiently interested now to read the article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200865_2.html "But he wants everyone in the chain of command, from Tillman's direct supervisors to the one-star general who conducted the latest invest...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 5:45 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

If the truth was, he was found dead, cowering in foxhole, had shit his drawers, face was half torn off and his "last words" weren't words at all but consisted of ten minutes of painful gurgling. Should we tell the truth ? Tom - real slow this time: They lied and said he was killed by enem...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 5:11 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

The media doesn't give a shit about THE TRUTH. Nor do Tillman's parents. Actually, apparently they do. Wouldn't you? You see nothing wrong with lying to them about the manner of his death? I'd imagine no amount of truth or lies, would ease the pain of losing one's child. The truth is , some soldier...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:56 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

3) Family members of soldiers killed in action would rather be lied to than to have the government/military level with them. I think it's more along the lines of what the dead soldier, airman, sailor or marine would have. As mvscal said, to spare the family the gory details and account of their suf...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:53 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Let's try it this way, rozy. Do you think Pat Tillman sacrificed his life and freedom for the kind of folks who would lie to his parents and the public about how he died, and use the fabricated story to help them bump Abu Graib off the front page? Somehow, I doubt it. Maybe if the people whose free...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:20 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

Maybe soldiers' selflessness just can't be understood by the selfish benefactors of their sacrifice. So not only lying about a soldier's death, but trumping up their demise to further push out that "honorable discharge from this planet" is a legit thing for the government to do? In the co...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:09 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

PSUFAN wrote: You're inspired by this?
No I'm inspired by Tillman.
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:04 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

And when they run, I've heard they sing. "If I die in combat zone Box me up and send me home Pin my medals upon my chest Tell my mom I did my best " This has nothing to do with the inward facing military culture. The soldier may be more than happy to be a pawn of our government, but when ...
by Tom In VA
Thu May 26, 2005 4:01 pm
Forum: ARCHIVE!
Topic: Pat Tillman
Replies: 194
Views: 19662

PSUFAN wrote:
how comforted would you be by "the truth"?
My outrage
Is phony, contrived and as politically motivated as the alleged motivations of those to whom your ire is directed.